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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Fail...

    I specified decisions that affect the executive branch.
    Did you read it? Obviously not. This SCOTUS ruling is specifically about the Executive and the power of the Executive to not enforce a portion of a law after it is enacted (signed) by the President. Which would encompass actions not taken because of signing statements which are for all intent and purposes a line item veto, which is unConstitutional. This law also restricted, or forced, the Executive to take action. Which is what you were hanging your hat on.

    I'm still waiting patiently for your court case to be cited. Even though I can keep posting more cases. The only reason I posted that one, is because you said it would have to be taken "to the supreme's" which it has, and so I showed you.

    Care to post a link to your court case? Seriously, I would like to read it. Because I haven't seen one or even heard of one, and I would like to know if I've been wrong all these years. It wouldn't be the first time.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Did you read it? Obviously not. This SCOTUS ruling is specifically about the Executive and the power of the Executive to not enforce a portion of a law after it is enacted (signed) by the President. Which would encompass actions not taken because of signing statements which are for all intent and purposes a line item veto, which is unConstitutional. This law also restricted, or forced, the Executive to take action. Which is what you were hanging your hat on.

    I'm still waiting patiently for your court case to be cited. Even though I can keep posting more cases. The only reason I posted that one, is because you said it would have to be taken "to the supreme's" which it has, and so I showed you.

    Care to post a link to your court case? Seriously, I would like to read it. Because I haven't seen one or even heard of one, and I would like to know if I've been wrong all these years. It wouldn't be the first time.
    It was not a law affecting the workings of the executive branch, but an executive decision that was outside of his authority.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    So long as it isnt this potus. Hell he was gone for 5 years you think 30 more days WOULD MATTER HOW?
    8 American Ambassadors were killed in the line of duty, 4 of them by terrorism attacks in Muslim countries before Republicans cared. So yes, if he had died within those 30 days, it would have mattered. Hell, the fact that Obama broke the law to bring an American soldier home is now being used by Republicans to ring the bells of impeachment. Go figure, the no American left behind crowd is now complaining that we traded 5 goat ****ers that will be killed in a drone strike for an American. All because that ****hole of a congress they created wasn't given notification. Lol, **** them.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Care to post a link to your court case? Seriously, I would like to read it. Because I haven't seen one or even heard of one, and I would like to know if I've been wrong all these years. It wouldn't be the first time.
    I have specifically pointed out that such a similar case, regarding laws upon the limiting executive authority, have not been tested yet.

    I specified decisions that affect the executive branch.

    I don't see such a case being taken to court. Politicians like the murkiness. Presidents will continue to use signing statements, and other reasons to pass laws and ignore the parts that affect the executive branch. Until challenged, it will be normal, and the media and detractors are incapable of making a valid noise on such issues, because they cry wolf too often.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It was not a law affecting the workings of the executive branch, but an executive decision that was outside of his authority.
    Holy crap LoP. What are you parsing now? If a President makes an executive decision, to either do or not do something, related to law passed by Congress, he has two choices once he signs it, and only two legal choices: 1) enforce the law in compliance with the US Constitution Section 3, Clause 5, or; 2) take it to court. That's it. He can write anything he wants on the bill, but the only writing that matters is his signature and the words that came from Congress.

    Congress has the sole power to make law: Article 1, Section 1, All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Congress has the sole power to say what the government does: Article 1, Section 8, Enumerated Powers: ... To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. That would include the Executive, especially the Executive Officer, the President.

    Man, read the Constitution. It's like Prego... It's in there.


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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    So the right allowed themselves to be manipulated into self-destruction by the left? Not sure I follow.
    Yeah, remember how the right was fully destroyed and no longer exists? Oh wait, that was in your dreams.
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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I have specifically pointed out that such a similar case, regarding laws upon the limiting executive authority, have not been tested yet.
    Read that SCOTUS Case again. Please.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Holy crap LoP. What are you parsing now? If a President makes an executive decision, to either do or not do something, related to law passed by Congress, he has two choices once he signs it, and only two legal choices: 1) enforce the law in compliance with the US Constitution Section 3, Clause 5, or; 2) take it to court. That's it. He can write anything he wants on the bill, but the only writing that matters is his signature and the words that came from Congress.

    Congress has the sole power to make law: Article 1, Section 1, All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Congress has the sole power to say what the government does: Article 1, Section 8, Enumerated Powers: ... To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. That would include the Executive, especially the Executive Officer, the President.

    Man, read the Constitution. It's like Prego... It's in there.
    What am I parsing?

    How about the fact that congress has no right to expect the 30 day notice of executive branch actions?

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, remember how the right was fully destroyed and no longer exists? Oh wait, that was in your dreams.
    Where did I say they were fully destroyed? There is still some debris.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What am I parsing?

    How about the fact that congress has no right to expect the 30 day notice of executive branch actions?
    What right? The Constitutional Power to do so is their right.

    Once again, of clarity's sake, but without the colors this time:

    Congress has the sole power to make law: Article 1, Section 1, All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Congress has the sole power to say what the government does: Article 1, Section 8, Enumerated Powers: ... To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. That would include the Executive, especially the Executive Officer, the President.

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