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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    This president isn't as bad as his predecessor was. Are you similarly critical of him?

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    Gaius, I'm pretty critical of anyone who doesn't take the rule of law seriously Either it means something or it doesn't. You can't go around picking and choosing what you like and what you don't when the rule of law means something to you. If a president is going to sign a bill into law then it is expected that he/she would uphold that law. Period.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It is only his prerogative because of recent history. It was never the intent of the founders for the president to sign a bill into law and then blatantly claim he will not honor it in full or at all. And if you can find such an occurrence other than recent history including the 1960's forward, I will gladly step down. Good luck.
    Laws used to also be stand alone laws, not rolling up more within a bill that will be passed.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And the President swears an oath to preserve the constitution. That oath would seem to require him to not enforce laws he found unconstitutional - until the SC weighed in on the matter.

    Look at it this way. Say the Legislature re-instituted slavery and overrode the President's veto. Is the President obligated to enforce that law until the SC gets around to declaring it unconstitutional?
    Yes. He can get a stay from the court until it rules though. Short of that, he has no power to do otherwise and in fact could be impeached for breaking his oath of office as well as breaking the law (the Constitution in this instance).

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And the President swears an oath to preserve the constitution. That oath would seem to require him to not enforce laws he found unconstitutional - until the SC weighed in on the matter.

    Look at it this way. Say the Legislature re-instituted slavery and overrode the President's veto. Is the President obligated to enforce that law until the SC gets around to declaring it unconstitutional?
    First of all, the president should veto any law he considers to violate the constitution. As to your second part, slavery was already ruled to be unconstitutional so the president should not enforce any law passed to the contrary, The law requiring the president to notify congress about any Gitmo prisoner movement was signed into law by Obama himself, If he finds the law to be unconstitutional, he should challenge it an let the SC decide. What he cannot do is what he did and often does--obey those laws he feels like obeying. That is tyrannical rule and should be opposed by every sane individual.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The executor of the law does not have the power to decide which laws are constitutional and, therefore, which ones he will follow and which ones he will ignore. That is tyranny. If Obama felt something in this law was unconstitutional, he should have had his AG pursue a review.
    My major point was when a law crosses over into executive brance decisions, that the president has the right to ignore it.

    Congress is always passing laws that encroach on the executive branch. They are suppose to be three separate branches. It should be the duty of any president to ignore such laws as he feels necessary. Now if the president continues to veto bills he would otherwise want enacted, we would never get legislation passed. We already have this blame game where republicans blame democrats and vise-versa over legislation. At times it's for the best, but it also becomes a media circus and nobody wins except media ratings.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Yes. He can get a stay from the court until it rules though. Short of that, he has no power to do otherwise and in fact could be impeached for breaking his oath of office as well as breaking the law (the Constitution in this instance).
    But his oath of office would seem to demand the he not enforce the law. He's not "preserving the constitution" if he enforces a law that he truly believes in unconstitutional.
    Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    No he can not pick and choose which laws to obey and which to ignore, Do you have a right to ignore laws you dont like? OF COURSE NOT.
    Will you please attempt to understand my words?

    When it affects the executive branch and duties, yes. He can ignore them all day long. Congress should not be voting for any laws that encroach on the executive powers.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Laws used to also be stand alone laws, not rolling up more within a bill that will be passed.
    Yes, but the president can send back to Congress, his willingness to sign a bill "if" it meets x, y and z. And a sitting president can then make it known he will not sign the bill unless it includes x,y and z. To sign a bill into law and then blatantly disregard the damn law he signed because he found it unconstitutional in parts is beyond reasoning when he had the friggin power to veto it in the first place.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianBoroihme View Post
    I strongly dislike when an "insider" is a source. I wish that the media would get a source on the record.

    Bergdahl's "resuce" is nothing like the release of diplomatic hostages.

    I seldom agree with McCain, but the ante just went up on taking US military hostage.

    Is the report that Bergdahl deserted confirmed?

    I dont know but that would bother me even more.

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    Re: Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    My major point was when a law crosses over into executive brance decisions, that the president has the right to ignore it.

    Congress is always passing laws that encroach on the executive branch. They are suppose to be three separate branches. It should be the duty of any president to ignore such laws as he feels necessary. Now if the president continues to veto bills he would otherwise want enacted, we would never get legislation passed. We already have this blame game where republicans blame democrats and vise-versa over legislation. At times it's for the best, but it also becomes a media circus and nobody wins except media ratings.
    What your describing is Tyranny. Rule by fiat.

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