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Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lied to

Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

So you are incapable of answering the post, so you become a grammar Nazi.

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Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

I posted a link to this site in the bar... some historic photos that are pretty damn amazing. One in particular has haunted me since I saw it.

Afghan women at a public library during the 1950s.

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The Afghanistan government was shifting towards democracy in the 1950s and 60s before the Taliban took over. Women could work, become educated, dress casually and use many of the modern day services that men could.

Makes me wonder WTH we didn't stomp these roaches into sand long before now. Guess we didn't see that slippery slope lefties claim doesn't exist. :(

Stomp them? Arm them, more like, fund them and train them and support them against the USSR occupation.

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Stomp them? Arm them, more like, fund them and train them and support them against the USSR occupation.

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We armed and trained The Northern Alliance, not the Taliban. The Northern Alliance were the pro-American, anti-Taliban faction in Afghanistan.
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

Doesnt matter how he got captured its matters that he was captured and you don't leave men behind. One of the small comforts soldiers have in combat is that they know their brothers and officers will do everything they can to either rescue/find or bring home their body.
The armies morale and its reputation would of been affected in a negative way if they had just turned their back on the missing Sgt.
 
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Doesnt matter how he got captured its matters that he was captured and you don't leave men behind. One of the small comforts soldiers have in combat is that they know their brothers and officers will do everything they can to either rescue/find or bring home their body.
The armies morale and its reputation would of been affected in a negative way if they had just turned their back on the missing Sgt.

What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.
 
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What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.


Heres what happens according to the NY Times.


The Taliban is not a legitimate combatant its members are ‘illegitimate combatants,’ the term applied to them by our government. Nor is the Taliban an enemy state – like say Nazi Germany. Therefore the release of five senior Taliban commanders and leaders in exchange for an American solider was much closer to the payment of ransom than a valid exchange.

I find it hard to see the difference between this "exchange" and the ransoms paid by France, Canada, and Germany for their citizens held captive by terrorist in Africa. The money they paid and the prisoners released were critical in building Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb into a force that would have overrun the West African country of Mali had French military forces not intervened.

Much the same is true in this case. The "illegal combatants" released from Guantanamo killed American troops and thousands of Shia civilians. In all likelihood they will return to lead extremists in activities that will result in more terrorist attacks.

When the United State sets this type of precedent – whether in Africa or the Middle East – it strengthens extremism and confirms upon their organizations a certain degree of legitimacy.

The terrorists have learned this lesson well. So well that they now understand that the more public sympathy generated the more likely the price demanded will be paid.

But the price – aiding the growth of terrorists around the globe – is too high.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...t-a-dangerous-
 
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What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.

You still can’t leave him in the hands of enemy especially when they didn’t know the whole story (state of mind etc). If they had left him it could have potentially emboldened the Taliban who might of starting thinking “Well hey guys the Americans don’t care about their men anymore etc.”
Now I agree with you in regards to the fact that this man is not a hero and he shouldn’t be called one. Unfortunately his disappearance cost the lives of brave men but the families of those men have to understand that they died doing their job and they had an obligation to try and rescue him.
 
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You still can’t leave him in the hands of enemy especially when they didn’t know the whole story (state of mind etc). If they had left him it could have potentially emboldened the Taliban who might of starting thinking “Well hey guys the Americans don’t care about their men anymore etc.”
Now I agree with you in regards to the fact that this man is not a hero and he shouldn’t be called one. Unfortunately his disappearance cost the lives of brave men but the families of those men have to understand that they died doing their job and they had an obligation to try and rescue him.

You can lave him in the hands of the enemy if he's a collaborater.
 
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You can lave him in the hands of the enemy if he's a collaborater.

I agree but in order to do that you would need hard evidence. How many soldiers in Vietnam lost their mind and ended up walking off into the jungle only to get picked up?
 
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You volunteer for the military, you follow orders and sometimes you die following those orders. It doesn't matter what the mission is. It's not Bergdhal's fault that people died looking for him. The people to blame are those who gave the orders (if the orders were unjust), and those who actually did the killing.
 
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Pentagon: He walked away. Its Desertion. Just needs to be charged.


A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter.

The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his army post, the official said.

U.S. military and intelligence agencies had made every effort to monitor Bergdahl's location and his health, the official said, through both signals intelligence and a network of spies.....snip~

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away
 
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Why does it matter? I can't believe you actually asked that.

Why would it be different if a soldier died in the performance of his duties while looking for a missing/abducted soldier who is held by the taliban or if a soldier died in the performance of his duty while looking for a taliban commander.

In both circumstances his death is tragic and horrendous for his loved ones, the army just should not have lied about it IMO.
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

Doesnt matter how he got captured its matters that he was captured and you don't leave men behind. One of the small comforts soldiers have in combat is that they know their brothers and officers will do everything they can to either rescue/find or bring home their body.
The armies morale and its reputation would of been affected in a negative way if they had just turned their back on the missing Sgt.

Except the soldiers who served with him are furious that this exchange took place. Whether you believe it or not, they think he was a deserter who wound up costing at least six lives. I don't think any soldier in the army would expect the U.S. to risk lives in an attempt to retrieve a deserter and possible collaborator.
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

It just keeps getting better.

Their son, Second Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, was also named in Nathan Bradley Bethea’s Daily Beast piece today as one of the men from his battalion killed in action during the search.

Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lied to us about it « Hot Air

It's heart breaking for the parents of these soldiers who gave their lives looking for this guy,
how the administration lied to them.

Also for those who fought to capture the 5 terrorists released in the trade.

So many lives lost :( and the terrorists got what they wanted.
 
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Except the soldiers who served with him are furious that this exchange took place. Whether you believe it or not, they think he was a deserter who wound up costing at least six lives. I don't think any soldier in the army would expect the U.S. to risk lives in an attempt to retrieve a deserter and possible collaborator.

If they had solid evidence that he was a collaborator then I agree but they didn't. Like I have said in other threads none of us know what the Sgts state of mind was when he left his post or the events leading up to that.

He isnt the first soldier to lose it on a battlefield he also won't be the last, if it was the case that he was mentally unstable then he was as good as wounded and they did they right thing trying to recover him.
 
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I don't have any problem with trying to recover him. I have a hell of a problem with the price they paid.
 
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To be fare, we have to give Obama a brownie point

If you only knew why this was punny.
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

I don't have any problem with trying to recover him. I have a hell of a problem with the price they paid.

So why does Bergdhal get the blame when it wasn't his decision?
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

Ahhh the old CON game... you cite a BLOG who makes claims... You expand what I said in an attempt to disprove it all... :roll:

Where did I say the PENTAGON???? the blog cite says the reporter, Loeb said the Pentagon wasn't the source but refused to name the source.

Now that you mention the Pentagon, on April 2, 2003 the PENTAGON released 5 minutes of the rescue video and claimed Jessica had been tortured, shot and stabbed. As far as I know the entire video has never been released. (taken from the same source that makes the vague claim Jessica's Congressman made up the shot stabbed story, did ya miss it????) :shock:

The Pentagon and Centcom sure pushed to make the Pvt Lynch story a propaganda piece.

If you could post the name of the source for the Congressman being the start of the shot and stabbed rumor please, it seems to yet another unnamed source...

I'd like to see a link for all of your claims.
 
Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

So why does Bergdhal get the blame when it wasn't his decision?

Because I believe it was his willful action that put us in that position. He willingly walked off his base and allowed himself to be captured. Do you think it is an accident that he's the only American soldier taken prisoner in Afghanistan? His actions caused the deaths of at least six soldiers and forced the release of some very dangerous men. It also set a terrible precedent for any soldier or diplomat currently in harm's way. There is now an established price for their release, and that makes them valuable targets.
 
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Pentagon: He walked away. Its Desertion. Just needs to be charged.


A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter.

The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his army post, the official said.

U.S. military and intelligence agencies had made every effort to monitor Bergdahl's location and his health, the official said, through both signals intelligence and a network of spies.....snip~

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

That's why Dempsy stated today there was a possibility of Bergdahl facing desertion charges. Colonel Hunt stated on Oreilly last night that we lost 14 men looking for Bergdahl.

 
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Why would it be different if a soldier died in the performance of his duties while looking for a missing/abducted soldier who is held by the taliban or if a soldier died in the performance of his duty while looking for a taliban commander.

In both circumstances his death is tragic and horrendous for his loved ones, the army just should not have lied about it IMO.

Bergdahl left his post; a decision that cost lives.
 
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I agree but in order to do that you would need hard evidence. How many soldiers in Vietnam lost their mind and ended up walking off into the jungle only to get picked up?

There's no evodence that he lost his mind.
 
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There's no evodence that he lost his mind.

He wondered off into the afghan mountains with only a knife, some water and a compass with no plan of action. Pretty sure he wasn't 100%.
 
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