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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

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    I posted a link to this site in the bar... some historic photos that are pretty damn amazing. One in particular has haunted me since I saw it.

    Afghan women at a public library during the 1950s.



    The Afghanistan government was shifting towards democracy in the 1950s and 60s before the Taliban took over. Women could work, become educated, dress casually and use many of the modern day services that men could.

    Makes me wonder WTH we didn't stomp these roaches into sand long before now. Guess we didn't see that slippery slope lefties claim doesn't exist.
    Stomp them? Arm them, more like, fund them and train them and support them against the USSR occupation.

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

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    Stomp them? Arm them, more like, fund them and train them and support them against the USSR occupation.

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    We armed and trained The Northern Alliance, not the Taliban. The Northern Alliance were the pro-American, anti-Taliban faction in Afghanistan.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Doesnt matter how he got captured its matters that he was captured and you don't leave men behind. One of the small comforts soldiers have in combat is that they know their brothers and officers will do everything they can to either rescue/find or bring home their body.
    The armies morale and its reputation would of been affected in a negative way if they had just turned their back on the missing Sgt.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Doesnt matter how he got captured its matters that he was captured and you don't leave men behind. One of the small comforts soldiers have in combat is that they know their brothers and officers will do everything they can to either rescue/find or bring home their body.
    The armies morale and its reputation would of been affected in a negative way if they had just turned their back on the missing Sgt.
    What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

    Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

    Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.

    Heres what happens according to the NY Times.


    The Taliban is not a legitimate combatant its members are ‘illegitimate combatants,’ the term applied to them by our government. Nor is the Taliban an enemy state – like say Nazi Germany. Therefore the release of five senior Taliban commanders and leaders in exchange for an American solider was much closer to the payment of ransom than a valid exchange.

    I find it hard to see the difference between this "exchange" and the ransoms paid by France, Canada, and Germany for their citizens held captive by terrorist in Africa. The money they paid and the prisoners released were critical in building Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb into a force that would have overrun the West African country of Mali had French military forces not intervened.

    Much the same is true in this case. The "illegal combatants" released from Guantanamo killed American troops and thousands of Shia civilians. In all likelihood they will return to lead extremists in activities that will result in more terrorist attacks.

    When the United State sets this type of precedent – whether in Africa or the Middle East – it strengthens extremism and confirms upon their organizations a certain degree of legitimacy.

    The terrorists have learned this lesson well. So well that they now understand that the more public sympathy generated the more likely the price demanded will be paid.

    But the price – aiding the growth of terrorists around the globe – is too high.....snip~

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What will happen to morale, if the troops know their lives will be further endangered looking for a deserter? How's it going to affect morale for the troops to see a deserter come home to a hero's welcome? What about the parents of the 6+ men that died looking for Bergdahl? They wanted their sons to come home, too.

    Deserting a post is a serious crime for a reason; doing so endangers lives. The Army is a team and Bergdahl caused the team to break down. You're a soldier, you should already know this.
    You still can’t leave him in the hands of enemy especially when they didn’t know the whole story (state of mind etc). If they had left him it could have potentially emboldened the Taliban who might of starting thinking “Well hey guys the Americans don’t care about their men anymore etc.”
    Now I agree with you in regards to the fact that this man is not a hero and he shouldn’t be called one. Unfortunately his disappearance cost the lives of brave men but the families of those men have to understand that they died doing their job and they had an obligation to try and rescue him.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    You still can’t leave him in the hands of enemy especially when they didn’t know the whole story (state of mind etc). If they had left him it could have potentially emboldened the Taliban who might of starting thinking “Well hey guys the Americans don’t care about their men anymore etc.”
    Now I agree with you in regards to the fact that this man is not a hero and he shouldn’t be called one. Unfortunately his disappearance cost the lives of brave men but the families of those men have to understand that they died doing their job and they had an obligation to try and rescue him.
    You can lave him in the hands of the enemy if he's a collaborater.
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can lave him in the hands of the enemy if he's a collaborater.
    I agree but in order to do that you would need hard evidence. How many soldiers in Vietnam lost their mind and ended up walking off into the jungle only to get picked up?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    You volunteer for the military, you follow orders and sometimes you die following those orders. It doesn't matter what the mission is. It's not Bergdhal's fault that people died looking for him. The people to blame are those who gave the orders (if the orders were unjust), and those who actually did the killing.

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