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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    No.

    I'll say this, the United States spends more time and money on locating and returning our service members than any other country be they alive, dead or MIA.

    Just last year we recovered two more Marines from Guadalcanal who were listed MIA in 1942 or 43.

    We as a nation have always tried to locate our MIA's except right after the Vietnam War.

    During the Vietnam War there were numerous attempts by Army Special Forces, Marine Recon, Navy SEALS/UDT and the Air Force to rescue American POW's in North Vietnam. Many of those missions are still classified.

    It was after the war beginning in 73 with the anti military movement in America when it seemed that no body gave a **** about our MIA's. It was a time when those still on active duty couldn't go off base wearing the uniform and when Vietnam vets wouldn't acknowledge that they served. That would change starting in 1981 when Ronald Reagan became President.

    The first time most Vietnam vets heard their first "Welcome Home" was in 1989/90 with Desert Storm.

    Remember with the build up to Desert Storm the usual liberal anti-war protesters were just about to take to the streets and back stab the American soldier again like they did during the Vietnam War ?

    But not this time. It was the Vietnam War vet along with their families and other patriots who took to the streets, brought back the old tradition of the yellow ribbon. We weren't going to let these libs do it again.

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    There are still 73,547 American soldiers, Marines, sailors and Coast Guardsmen who are still listed as MIA from WW ll.

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    Heya Apache....I found this.....even has Salt and Pepper mentioned, plus about other deserters.




    Boring Stuff: How the military services account for people

    To understand what we encountered with our deserter analysis project, you first need to understand how the military services account for people. Because I am a retired Army guy, my terminology will be that of the Army. The other services operate the same way, but some use different terms. Every military member must be accounted for by being either present for duty; sick and not on duty; temporarily separated from his/her unit for training or some other special requirement; enroute to another unit; on leave or pass; missing in action; prisoner of war; prisoner of the US military; incarcerated in a civilian prison; or absent without leave (AWOL; the Marines call it "UA,' unauthorized absence).

    When an individual leaves one unit with orders to report to another unit, there must be a date when accountability shifts from the losing unit to the gaining unit. Consider this common occurrence. An individual is stationed in the States and receives orders reassigning him to Europe. Enroute to Europe, he will take some leave, go to a school in the States for a few weeks, take more leave, then report to his new unit. On whose personnel strength report does this individual appear for the period that he is on leave or in school? What happens if he does not report to the school or to the new unit?

    Reassignment orders, for both temporary and permanent reassignment, have a reporting date, the date on which you must be standing tall, duffel bag in hand, shoes shined, hair cut, brass polished, in front of your new first sergeant. If an individual does not report on his reporting date, he is carried on the rolls of the gaining unit as AWOL. After thirty days, he is DFR -- Dropped From the Rolls -- and reported as a deserter. DFR is a manpower accounting practice that does two things. First, it allows the gaining unit, which is now short one person, to request a replacement from personnel channels and, second, it allows legal action to be started against the now deserter.

    What We Found

    When our analysts completed work with the services, we had a list of -- and this is from my memory -- close to 4,000 individuals who had deserted from units in Vietnam. We were shocked at this number because the official list of missing men carried -- again, this is my memory at work -- either 42 or 44 in the status of deserter. Upon further examination, we found that what we were looking at was a function of the way the military services account for their people.

    As we tracked individual cases, we found that practically everyone of the 4,000 or so were men who were in the States (a few were in other assignments such as Germany, Japan, etc.). They received orders to go to Vietnam, complete with a unit of assignment in Vietnam and a reporting date. They never showed up in Vietnam. But, because they were on orders to units in Vietnam, they were picked up on those rolls, carried as AWOL, then, after thirty days, DFR and reported. Because they were reported as DFR by a unit in Vietnam, they showed up as being a deserter from Vietnam.

    Our analysts, working with the services, scrubbed and scrubbed and the result was that, after we culled all the cases not in Vietnam, we were down to 40-something individuals who appeared, based on the information available, to have gone over the hill while still in Vietnam.....snip~

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No but they spent decades after debating on the possibility of live US prisoners, set up investigations, sent in teams etc.
    I remember satellite imaging during the late 70's or early 80's showing someone in Laos who wasn't squatting like an Asian but sitting like an American or European. It was speculated it might have been an American POW.

    I seem to remember as a FNG being told if you get separated from your unit, don't move we'll find you.

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No but they spent decades after debating on the possibility of live US prisoners, set up investigations, sent in teams etc.

    Nothing that compares to freeing 5 dangerous Islamic terrorists. Make that a possible 6, given that the soldier himself had converted.
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I remember satellite imaging during the late 70's or early 80's showing someone in Laos who wasn't squatting like an Asian but sitting like an American or European. It was speculated it might have been an American POW.

    I seem to remember as a FNG being told if you get separated from your unit, don't move we'll find you.
    Yeh we were extensively trained on those type of situations. British army encountered a lot of kidnappings during the Northern Ireland "troubles".
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Moot. Okay....Does this take from any others who died in his search?

    How does this even attempt to downplay the resources that were put out for a deserter.

    Just one? I think you need to look up at the Army Times and from all those who served with him and what I have up around here.

    Also do you think you can explain away the Investigation they conducted? How about what Bergdahl told his CO and then Asked his CO?

    Truly there is no defense for this guy.....no matter how much BO and any try to spin it.

    Hi MMC.

    I think it best to wait until the army does an investigation into the allegations that six soldiers were killed in the act of searching for Bergdahl. Especially now that there is credible evidence coming out that perhaps some those soldiers may not have been killed searching for Bergdahl at all. If that's the case then that would certainly undermine some of the soldiers stories about Bergdahl, imo. And too, nobody has heard Bergdahl's side of the story yet and no one has been able to verify the authenticity of the emails first published by CNN. So there's still too many unanswered questions to draw a conclusion, MMC.

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, Bergdahl doesn't get off that easy. He created the situation that led to the loss of American lives and the release of dangerous terrorists.
    Specifically, what did Bergdahl do besides get captured?

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Say, wouldn't it be interesting if Republican strategists were organizing Bergdahl's critics?

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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It just keeps getting better.
    There is nothing better about the GOP dancing on every grave they can find .
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Nothing that compares to freeing 5 dangerous Islamic terrorists.
    Make that a possible 6, given that the soldier himself had converted.
    Do you repeat this post in every Bergdahl thread, calling Bergdahl a dangerous Islamic terrorist before he gets his day in court?
    Typical Republican injustice since Obama came in, guilty until proven innocent .
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    Re: Parents of fallen soldier: Our son died looking for Bergdahl and the military lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Hi MMC.

    I think it best to wait until the army does an investigation into the allegations that six soldiers were killed in the act of searching for Bergdahl. Especially now that there is credible evidence coming out that perhaps some those soldiers may not have been killed searching for Bergdahl at all. If that's the case then that would certainly undermine some of the soldiers stories about Bergdahl, imo. And too, nobody has heard Bergdahl's side of the story yet and no one has been able to verify the authenticity of the emails first published by CNN. So there's still too many unanswered questions to draw a conclusion, MMC.

    They already conducted an investigation Moot......post 61.


    A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl walked away from his unit, and after an initial flurry of searching the military decided not to exert extraordinary efforts to rescue him, according to a former senior defense official who was involved in the matter.

    The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his army post, the official said.

    U.S. military and intelligence agencies had made every effort to monitor Bergdahl's location and his health, the official said, through both signals intelligence and a network of spies.....snip~

    U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away


    Now that there is a body.....charges can be filed.

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