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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You need some help with your reading comprehension.

    Feel free to relinquish your rights. I, however, shall not.
    You do not actually understand what you are talking about.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We didn't have the ability to get the information needed - because our law denied us access to it. So, if it's possible for someone to make an intuitive leap with 2/3rds of a puzzle completed, but you can't do it with 1/3rd, we had two individual thirds, neither of which was allowed to be seen together. The problem wasn't that we had too much data, it was that we had erected internal walls which did not allow data to be shared.

    Mass data collection on point-to-point communications allows for the rapid discovery of networks in order to allow for actual targeted collection if approved. So, for example, when number 555-5555 suddenly starts calling Mr Jihad McBombsalot in Pakistan from New York, we are able to zero in on that number and find out A) who it is and B) who its' contacts are. So, for example, say that 555-5555 only calls Mr Jihad McBombsalot, and no other numbers. It's a dead end. But it's always co-located with number 333-3333, and 333-3333 calls no one but these other 7 numbers... well, there you are then: 555-5555 is a burner phone, and 333-3333 is how this guy actually maintains contact with his cell. Grab those nodes, and now we've got the first circle of the network. Figure out who they are and now we can hopefully figure out what they are doing and how to stop them.

    But that process doesn't work unless you already have the point-to-point data to query. Having the data to query is how analysts build - pulling previously unrelated or differently related data into demonstrable relationships in order to demonstrate real-world action, communication, and intent. That's one of the reasons that the IC has invested so heavily now in collaboration, wiki's, and the like.
    I legit LOLed at "Mr. Jihad McBombsalot."

    With regards to 9/11, I would say that you are correct, at least from the information that I've seen. (I have some other questions about 9/11 but that's for another day).
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, the switch I don't understand is how the exact same people who will rant and rave that government is incompetent and wasteful and not really up to operating efficiently at any complex and difficult task such as provision of healthcare or minute regulation of aerial emissions will in the next breath turn around and claim that the government is secretly some kind of omnicompetent all-seeing-all-knowing faceless agency that functions with smooth and brutal efficiency at handling the most massive tasks imaginable with perfect precision.
    It's not hard to understand. Some people put food on their table by working for certain sectors of government. Most people will not bite the hand that feeds them.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You do not actually understand what you are talking about.
    Actually, I do.
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, the switch I don't understand is how the exact same people who will rant and rave that government is incompetent and wasteful and not really up to operating efficiently at any complex and difficult task such as provision of healthcare or minute regulation of aerial emissions will in the next breath turn around and claim that the government is secretly some kind of omnicompetent all-seeing-all-knowing faceless agency that functions with smooth and brutal efficiency at handling the most massive tasks imaginable with perfect precision.
    Government efficiency, like military intelligence, are oxymorons.

    However, you trust them if you want to. I still don't.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Government efficiency, like military intelligence, are oxymorons.
    Careful, man. Blackbriar will hear you if you insult them, and be able to dispatch an assassin to your location within 10 minutes, because, you know, they have someone stationed in every single populated area in the modernized world...


    Seriously? I don't trust them. That doesn't mean they aren't charged with the National Defense.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Actually, I do.
    Your posts, and attempts to describe what it is you are protesting, indicate that in fact you do not.

    For example, if I were to rail against gun ownership, and go on and on about how nobody needs a 30 round assault clip....

    ....well, most actual gun folks would take that as an indication that I do not actually know what I'm talking about when I describe firearms. That's sort of how you sound in this thread when you attempt to describe the PRISM system.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I see you've been assimilated.... and like it.
    hahahahahahah

    Is that what that is? That's funny. Very self-affirming for you, too: you can think whatever you want, and if anyone with actual experience bothers to tell you you're wrong, you just say they're brainwashed. Win/win!
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I seriously never want to see Old World Odor, cpwill and others complain about government intrusiveness about anything on this forum again. If they do, they cannot be taken seriously and deserve a hearty LOL.
    I doubt you will ever see OWO complaining about government intrusiveness. For the most part, his posts make it sound like the government can do no wrong, and that its only concerns are protecting the citizens.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    And, again, it's like some people honestly don't know that the government and the "handlers" are made up of millions of citizens. To hear some people, it's some nebulous "other", not some guy that mows his lawn on Saturday morning and is saving for his daughter's college. No, no: they're evil spooky men trying to enslave humanity.
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