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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Snowden's 15 minutes of fame" sure is lasting a long time. One long 15 minutes.
    Yes 15 minutes of fame seems long up until one day they are gone. The public gets bored with such personalities quickly. Remember Assange his 15 minutes ran out.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: Exactly. Why is it that all of our intelligence agencies, including our police force, and all the other protective agencies that we have doesn't share information? Why isn't it all accessible to all agencies? Part of it is a little thing called "National Security". Those two magic words that denies X group from accessing vital information unless they have permission and clearance.

    I also note that you admit that we had the info required to stop 9/11....Lets examine that shall we? If we had the info before 9/11 and could have stopped it...why the need for mass data logging? If we had the ability to get the info before, why the need for this extra violation of the 4th?

    BTW: I find it ironic that you basically said the same thinig that Snowden did. Just in a different way.
    We didn't have the ability to get the information needed - because our law denied us access to it. So, if it's possible for someone to make an intuitive leap with 2/3rds of a puzzle completed, but you can't do it with 1/3rd, we had two individual thirds, neither of which was allowed to be seen together. The problem wasn't that we had too much data, it was that we had erected internal walls which did not allow data to be shared.

    Mass data collection on point-to-point communications allows for the rapid discovery of networks in order to allow for actual targeted collection if approved. So, for example, when number 555-5555 suddenly starts calling Mr Jihad McBombsalot in Pakistan from New York, we are able to zero in on that number and find out A) who it is and B) who its' contacts are. So, for example, say that 555-5555 only calls Mr Jihad McBombsalot, and no other numbers. It's a dead end. But it's always co-located with number 333-3333, and 333-3333 calls no one but these other 7 numbers... well, there you are then: 555-5555 is a burner phone, and 333-3333 is how this guy actually maintains contact with his cell. Grab those nodes, and now we've got the first circle of the network. Figure out who they are and now we can hopefully figure out what they are doing and how to stop them.

    But that process doesn't work unless you already have the point-to-point data to query. Having the data to query is how analysts build - pulling previously unrelated or differently related data into demonstrable relationships in order to demonstrate real-world action, communication, and intent. That's one of the reasons that the IC has invested so heavily now in collaboration, wiki's, and the like.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    HEre is another source if RT does not suffice you
    ....wait. Firstly, you do realize that when you are citing RT you are literally citing the government that is currently using Snowden for it's own ends?

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Keeping in mind that Snowden has no documents with him, are we to believe he remembers all this stuff word for word and that he read millions of documents?

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    ďIím willing to sacrifice all of that because I canít in good conscience allow the U.S. government to destroy privacy, Internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine theyíre secretly building,Ē Snowden told the Guardian.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Keeping in mind that Snowden has no documents with him, are we to believe he remembers all this stuff word for word and that he read millions of documents?
    Like Joe Turner (Robert Redford) in the movie Three Days of the Condor.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Big Brother doesn't have the available manpower nor the competence. That's where all the 9/11 conspiracies fail - the USG simply isn't competent to the tasks they ascribe to them.



    Mind you - there is an entity out there quietly collecting endless data on you, your behavior, your history, your communications, your activities, beliefs, and so forth in order to mold your behavior. That entity is called "Google.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Big Brother doesn't have the available manpower nor the competence. That's where all the 9/11 conspiracies fail - the USG simply isn't competent to the tasks they ascribe to them.
    Competent or not, the US government invading citizen's privacy and collecting private data should be a concern for everyone.

    I have two words for the man, Mr. Snowden, who exposed corrupt government covert activities directed at US citizens, ruining his life by those actions.

    Thank you!
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Competent or not, the US government invading citizen's privacy and collecting private data should be a concern for everyone.

    I have two words for the man, Mr. Snowden, who exposed corrupt government covert activities directed at US citizens, ruining his life by those actions.

    Thank you!
    Oh. Is that what you intend to tell the families of the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan, given that our ability to protect them by collecting on the Taliban was severely damaged by Mr Snowden? Would you care to defend all the other crap he's spilled?

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Apparently we had all the info we needed on these 9/11 terrorists,
    This isn't exactly news; with the caveat that "all the info we needed" is an INCREDIBLY subjective notion that frankly Snowden does not have the ability to know objectively. But the idea that we had plenty of information on the 9/11 attacks prior to those attacks is an old one. Indeed, it's one of the primary things that helped lead to the USA PATRIOT Act coming to pass. Part of the issue was what was known within the intelligence community as the Gorelick Wall; short hand for a memo issued by then Deputy AG Jamie Gorelick severely limiting the ability of law enforcement/military/federal prosecutors from sharing information with each other.

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