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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A traitor is a credible source?
    Which is a bigger traitor--a man that reveals the crimes of government, or a group of men sitting in a legislative body doing away with Habeas Corpus or the Fourth Amendment?

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more ludicrosity from Snowden. The 9/11 Commission found that we had erected walls within our IC that kept different analysts from being able to share the information, meaning that while we had the picture necessary to stop the plot, we had it broken into pieces and had our system structured in such a way as to guarantee it wouldn't be pieced together.

    IOW, it was exactly the kind of barriers that Snowden's fans want to resurrect that kept us from being able to stop 9/11.

    Very true. There also seems to be willful ignorance when it comes to implementing civil law in regaurds to privacy in a time of war, or to those we are at war with. As if they can be applied to a war time situation without completely being ineffective and harmful to very effort the war was intended to resolve or prevent.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Which is a bigger traitor--a man that reveals the crimes of government, or a group of men sitting in a legislative body doing away with Habeas Corpus or the Fourth Amendment?
    Are you saying Lincoln was a bigger traitor than Snowden?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Not only that but quote comes from RT news.
    HEre is another source if RT does not suffice you
    Edward Snowden Questions Failure to Prevent 9/11 Terrorist Attacks


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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you saying Lincoln was a bigger traitor than Snowden?
    At least old Abe had a sho 'nuff war on his hands, and that little sentence in the document giving him the power.

    So, no, I wasn't suggesting Abe, I was suggesting the US Congress which passed the NDAA amendment, the one with a rider attached that allowed indefinite detention, in violation of Habeas and other constitutional protections.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more ludicrosity from Snowden. The 9/11 Commission found that we had erected walls within our IC that kept different analysts from being able to share the information, meaning that while we had the picture necessary to stop the plot, we had it broken into pieces and had our system structured in such a way as to guarantee it wouldn't be pieced together.

    IOW, it was exactly the kind of barriers that Snowden's fans want to resurrect that kept us from being able to stop 9/11.
    That's it, exactly.
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more ludicrosity from Snowden. The 9/11 Commission found that we had erected walls within our IC that kept different analysts from being able to share the information, meaning that while we had the picture necessary to stop the plot, we had it broken into pieces and had our system structured in such a way as to guarantee it wouldn't be pieced together.

    IOW, it was exactly the kind of barriers that Snowden's fans want to resurrect that kept us from being able to stop 9/11.
    Bold: Exactly. Why is it that all of our intelligence agencies, including our police force, and all the other protective agencies that we have doesn't share information? Why isn't it all accessible to all agencies? Part of it is a little thing called "National Security". Those two magic words that denies X group from accessing vital information unless they have permission and clearance.

    I also note that you admit that we had the info required to stop 9/11....Lets examine that shall we? If we had the info before 9/11 and could have stopped it...why the need for mass data logging? If we had the ability to get the info before, why the need for this extra violation of the 4th?

    BTW: I find it ironic that you basically said the same thinig that Snowden did. Just in a different way.

    ďYou know, and this is a key question that the 9/11 Commission considered. And what they found, in the post-mortem, when they looked at all of the classified intelligence from all of the different intelligence agencies, they found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community, as a classified sector, as the national defense of the United States to detect this plot,Ē Snowden said. ďWe actually had records of the phone calls from the United States and out. The CIA knew who these guys were. The problem was not that we werenít collecting information, it wasnít that we didnít have enough dots, it wasnít that we didnít have a haystack, it was that we did not understand the haystack that we have.Ē
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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    HEre is another source if RT does not suffice you
    Edward Snowden Questions Failure to Prevent 9/11 Terrorist Attacks
    Snowdens message seems to be that we should use a bigger magnify glass. And he used 9/11 to make that point. He did not reveal anything new about 9/11 that wasnt already known. This is more of a non-issue news story trying to exploit Snowdens 15 minutes of fame.

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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Snowdens message seems to be that we should use a bigger magnify glass. And he used 9/11 to make that point. He did not reveal anything new about 9/11 that wasnt already known. This is more of a non-issue news story trying to exploit Snowdens 15 minutes of fame.
    "Snowden's 15 minutes of fame" sure is lasting a long time. One long 15 minutes.


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    Re: Read Snowdenís comments on 9/11 that NBC didnít broadcast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: Exactly. Why is it that all of our intelligence agencies, including our police force, and all the other protective agencies that we have doesn't share information? Why isn't it all accessible to all agencies? Part of it is a little thing called "National Security". Those two magic words that denies X group from accessing vital information unless they have permission and clearance.

    I also note that you admit that we had the info required to stop 9/11....Lets examine that shall we? If we had the info before 9/11 and could have stopped it...why the need for mass data logging? If we had the ability to get the info before, why the need for this extra violation of the 4th?

    BTW: I find it ironic that you basically said the same thinig that Snowden did. Just in a different way.
    You're not understanding that the pre 9/11 IC and the post are two very different beasts.
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