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Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

CanadaJohn said:
You forget that after 9/11 Ghaddafi chose to renounce his weapons and his terrorist activities, at least outside Libya, and he had somewhat normalized relations with the west, something that Hussein never did. Hussein continued to ignore UN directives and to give the impression he had WMD if in fact he didn't have them.

This is not to say that either man is missed - the world is better off without them - but there is a difference.
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the whole problem in iraq would not have happened if we had only removed Hussein and not remove from power every member of the Baath party that served in the regime. we effectivly gutted the governing body of iraq and brought instability to the country.
 
pbrauer said:
Sorry, I just don't see the hypocrisy here.
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We'll see. If she runs for the Democrat Presidential nomination, then her book is a political document and she uses a discussion of her Benghazi involvement for political purposes - that makes her a hypocrite. If, however, she doesn't seek the Democrat nomination, then her book is simply a contribution to history without political undertones/overtones. In my view, the former is far more likely - but I'll be prepared to apologize if the latter turns out to be the case.
 
MMC said:
Were you avoiding the questions about the committees on purpose? You do know the difference when pointed out to you correct?

Did you need to read up on what a Select committee can do? Do you think Gowdy's depositions......are a clue? :lol:
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you are upset that the prior committees could not find evidence of Obama being to blame for Benghazi.

again, to be blunt, you are like an executioner who is being denied a culprit of a crime to execute.
 
MMC said:
Oooh you got technical.....but this changes nothing about whats been said. Okay, you say maters and I say tomato.

The whole issue of what Gadhafi is or was......means nothing now. Not with this conversation and what Benghazi is about in Association with BO and his Hill-Dog.

Here let me help you with some History.....its not hard to look up for one who is so intellectual like. :lol:
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Lord, what a long drawn out way to say you're wrong.

2008 January - Libya takes over one-month rotating presidency of the UN Security Council in a step back to respectability after decades as a pariah of the West.
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The UN Security Council is a joke. Other members? Angola, Zaire, Cuba, Algeria, Pakistan, Vietnam - all beaming examples of human rights.

2008 August - Libya and US sign agreement committing each side to compensate all victims of bombing attacks on the other's citizens.
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So? We sign agreement after agreement with 3rd world dictatorships all the time.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi apologises to Libya for damage inflicted by Italy during the colonial era and signs a five billion dollar investment deal by way of compensation.
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I'm sure that money was taken from poverty stricken Italians and went to the poverty stricken Libyans being tortured by Gaddafi.

2008 September - US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice makes historic visit - the highest-level US visit to Libya since 1953. Ms Rice says relations between the US and Libya have entered a "new phase".
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Dennis Rodman went to North Korea.
2009 February - Gaddafi elected chairman of the African Union by leaders meeting in Ethiopia. Sets out ambition of "United States of Africa" even embracing the Caribbean.
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I wish you knew what that meant. He was a ceremonial head to a corrupt organization. Big deal.
2009 June - Gaddafi pays first state visit to Italy, Libya's former colonial ruler and now its main trading partner.
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So one corrupt leader visits another.... and?
2009 December- Diplomatic row with Switzerland and European Union after one of Gaddafi's sons is held in Switzerland on charges of mistreating domestic workers......snip~
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Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Dad is home mistreating the country, son is in another country mistreating house workers.

Why are you defending dictators?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
the whole problem in iraq would not have happened if we had only removed Hussein and not remove from power every member of the Baath party that served in the regime. we effectivly gutted the governing body of iraq and brought instability to the country.
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I don't disagree with you - I fault Bremner for the aftermath of the successful coalition war effort. It is very true that the American led coalition was welcomed in Iraq with open arms and the people in Baghdad and elsewhere were jubilant. But Bremner brought lawlessness to the streets by disbanding the Iraqi armed forces, sending them off with no work and heavily armed and allowed the treasures of the state to be looted without resistance until most all was lost. Once that Pandora's box of evil was opened, the transition was basically lost for years and years.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't disagree with you - I fault Bremner for the aftermath of the successful coalition war effort. It is very true that the American led coalition was welcomed in Iraq with open arms and the people in Baghdad and elsewhere were jubilant. But Bremner brought lawlessness to the streets by disbanding the Iraqi armed forces, sending them off with no work and heavily armed and allowed the treasures of the state to be looted without resistance until most all was lost. Once that Pandora's box of evil was opened, the transition was basically lost for years and years.
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it was not just disbanding the armed forces in iraq, it was banning the baath party that sowed the seeds of disaster.

back when we were rebuilding germany after the war we kept many Nazis in power because they were the only ones with leadership skills required to perform any job. we had to make a deal with the devil in order to preserve the greater good.
 
CanadaJohn said:
We'll see. If she runs for the Democrat Presidential nomination, then her book is a political document and she uses a discussion of her Benghazi involvement for political purposes - that makes her a hypocrite. If, however, she doesn't seek the Democrat nomination, then her book is simply a contribution to history without political undertones/overtones. In my view, the former is far more likely - but I'll be prepared to apologize if the latter turns out to be the case.
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That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.
 
pbrauer said:
That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.
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That's the difference between you and I. I see her book as totally political - an attempt to get her side of all stories out there, do the book tour thingie for free political exposure, and determine whether or not she's sufficiently fooled the population into thinking she's President material. It's quite similar to the Obama playbook - only thing left to see is if the American people are gullible enough to fall for it again.
 
pbrauer said:
That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.
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While HRC's opponents began dancing on the graves of the Benghazi dead after the 2012 election in trying to destroy her,
they now hypocritically whine about her defending herself against the sleazy, scurrilous lies coming from Reince Priebus and co.

Too bad the GOP didn't show as much concern for the 4,500 they sent to their deaths based on lies and deceptions.
And the hundreds of thousands of Veterans of the Iraqi war that have swamped the VA which continues to deal with VFWs back to WW2.

VFWs like my Dad, parked in a wheelchair in a hallway heavily sedated with food pocketed for 3 weeks at the end of Bush's disastrous Presidency.
Luckily for our family, Illinois has four good Veteran's homes and a bed opened up for Dad .
The VA did the best it could with whaqt they were given, which was never enough, which is why Shinseki was fired by Bush last decade .
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That's the difference between you and I. I see her book as totally political - an attempt to get her side of all stories out there
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As a typical conservative hack, you would prefer that HRC not defend herself from two years of GOPs dancing on the graves of the Benghazi dead .
 
NIMBY said:
As a typical conservative hack, you would prefer that HRC not defend herself from two years of GOPs dancing on the graves of the Benghazi dead .
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Good evening NIMBY - hope all is well.

In response to your drive by shooting, I'd simply say that HRC has had ample opportunity to defend herself over the past couple of years and her most famous defense is "but what difference does it make".
 
Hatuey said:
Lord, what a long drawn out way to say you're wrong.



The UN Security Council is a joke. Other members? Angola, Zaire, Cuba, Algeria, Pakistan, Vietnam - all beaming examples of human rights.



So? We sign agreement after agreement with 3rd world dictatorships all the time.



I'm sure that money was taken from poverty stricken Italians and went to the poverty stricken Libyans being tortured by Gaddafi.



Dennis Rodman went to North Korea.


I wish you knew what that meant. He was a ceremonial head to a corrupt organization. Big deal.


So one corrupt leader visits another.... and?


Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Dad is home mistreating the country, son is in another country mistreating house workers.

Why are you defending dictators?
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I am not defending dictators that's just a false pretense.....Since, I never cared about Gadhafi in the first place. I just showed you what the US and Libyan relations were as well Italy, and their European partners. Now for a bit more history.....so that you can try and put two and two together. Now.....you really do need to put forth an effort here in correlating events and leading up to whats gone down. Just sayin.


2010 January - Russia agrees to sell Libya weapons in a deal worth $1.8bn. The deal is thought to include fighter jets, tanks and air defence systems.

2010 June - UN refugee agency UNHCR expelled.

2010 July - US senators push for inquiry into claims that oil giant BP lobbied for Lockerbie bomber's release.
BP confirms it is about to begin drilling off Libyan coast.

2010 October - European Union and Libya sign agreement designed to slow illegal migration.

2010 December - US diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks indicate that Gaddafi threatened to cut trade with Britain if Lockerbie bomber died in prison.

2011 February - Arrest of human rights campaigner sparks violent protests in eastern city of Benghazi that rapidly spread to other cities, leading to escalating clashes between security forces and rebels. Gaddafi insists that he will not quit, and remains in control of the capital, Tripoli.

2011 March - UN Security Council authorises a no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes to protect civilians, over which NATO assumes command.
Backed by extensive NATO air raids, Libyan rebels initially capture territory but are then forced back by better-armed pro-Gaddafi forces. Rebels ask West for arms.....snip!


Still able to keep up and correlate the information with what you have been shown? Now lets see what you can come up with. Actually trying to put just a bit of effort into it and some of that thought power. ;)

What sequence events played out? Who were the players again? Meaning diplomatically working with Libya?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
you are upset that the prior committees could not find evidence of Obama being to blame for Benghazi.

again, to be blunt, you are like an executioner who is being denied a culprit of a crime to execute.
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So again you cannot admit to the difference in committees? Is that so hard to do? Why is it you cannot make out the difference?


I know.....it looks bad for BO and his Hill-Dog. But like I said......they didn't think that it would churn this long.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
were you asleep during the entire libyan civil war?

particullarly during the conflict in misrata?

BBC News - Libya conflict: Gaddafi 'cluster bombing Misrata'



and this?

Libyan forces shoot protesters - Africa - Al Jazeera English
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2011 February - Arrest of human rights campaigner sparks violent protests in eastern city of Benghazi that rapidly spread to other cities, leading to escalating clashes between security forces and rebels. Gaddafi insists that he will not quit, and remains in control of the capital, Tripoli.....snip~


Care to explain how there were clashes with Rebels even before there were protests? Any reason why the MB isn't mentioned here?
 
MMC said:
So again you cannot admit to the difference in committees? Is that so hard to do? Why is it you cannot make out the difference?


I know.....it looks bad for BO and his Hill-Dog. But like I said......they didn't think that it would churn this long.
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what exactly are you trying to point out?

that the previous commitees were by the oversight commitee and related commitees? there was one conducted by the justice department.

or is it that this committee is allowed to look at a broader range of documents including documents covered by other committees, which may or may not contain some unspecified document that is the mysterious smoking gun of the whole case?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good evening NIMBY - hope all is well.

In response to your drive by shooting, I'd simply say that HRC has had ample opportunity to defend herself over the past couple of years and her most famous defense is "but what difference does it make".
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Well.....actually it will be. Why didn't she call back to check on her people to see if they made it out of Alive? Why didn't she call back to Panetta? Why didn't she call back to General Ham? Both Testified now......she never even called back. She then testified she never spoke to BO after her talk with Hicks.

So How does she get round the fact she didn't think to much of these people who were in a fight for their lives? Including the 20 some others that made it to the Annex. Who now will be taking depositions and were never interviewed by the ABR and Mullen with Dempsey.
 
MMC said:
I am not defending dictators that's just a false pretense.....Since, I never cared about Gadhafi in the first place. I just showed you what the US and Libyan relations were as well Italy, and their European partners. Now for a bit more history.....so that you can try and put two and two together. Now.....you really do need to put forth an effort here in correlating events and leading up to whats gone down. Just sayin.


2010 January - Russia agrees to sell Libya weapons in a deal worth $1.8bn. The deal is thought to include fighter jets, tanks and air defence systems.

2010 June - UN refugee agency UNHCR expelled.

2010 July - US senators push for inquiry into claims that oil giant BP lobbied for Lockerbie bomber's release.
BP confirms it is about to begin drilling off Libyan coast.

2010 October - European Union and Libya sign agreement designed to slow illegal migration.

2010 December - US diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks indicate that Gaddafi threatened to cut trade with Britain if Lockerbie bomber died in prison.

2011 February - Arrest of human rights campaigner sparks violent protests in eastern city of Benghazi that rapidly spread to other cities, leading to escalating clashes between security forces and rebels. Gaddafi insists that he will not quit, and remains in control of the capital, Tripoli.

2011 March - UN Security Council authorises a no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes to protect civilians, over which NATO assumes command.
Backed by extensive NATO air raids, Libyan rebels initially capture territory but are then forced back by better-armed pro-Gaddafi forces. Rebels ask West for arms.....snip!


Still able to keep up and correlate the information with what you have been shown? Now lets see what you can come up with. Actually trying to put just a bit of effort into it and some of that thought power. ;)

What sequence events played out? Who were the players again? Meaning diplomatically working with Libya?
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I don't know if just throw words and links and then pretend to make a point. So, Libya is a dictator led nation behaving like a dictator led nation - people stand up to the fact that they have no self rule (again, words mean things) and the West decides to help out. If your argument is that Libya was on its way to better ties with the west, I've got some seaside property in Missouri I'd like you to see. Oh, and quit defending dictators by bringing up all the nice things they did.
 
MMC said:
2011 February - Arrest of human rights campaigner sparks violent protests in eastern city of Benghazi that rapidly spread to other cities, leading to escalating clashes between security forces and rebels. Gaddafi insists that he will not quit, and remains in control of the capital, Tripoli.....snip~


Care to explain how there were clashes with Rebels even before there were protests? Any reason why the MB isn't mentioned here?
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the Muslim brotherhood? care to explain how they figure in this conversation?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
what exactly are you trying to point out?

that the previous commitees were by the oversight commitee and related commitees? there was one conducted by the justice department.

or is it that this committee is allowed to look at a broader range of documents including documents covered by other committees, which may or may not contain some unspecified document that is the mysterious smoking gun of the whole case?
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So why is it All those committees couldn't take any measures while conducting an investigation. But this one can?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
it is a special committee.
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Right and admittingly.....knowing those other committees couldn't do a damn thing unless absolutely conclusive. Like they did with saying they would up security measures.
 
MMC said:
Who do you think was backing the TNC? What do I mean.....go look them up with their Libyan History. :roll:
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are you suggesting we should have supported Ghadaffi over the rebels fighting against him just because the rebels are supported by the Muslim Brotherhood?
 
MMC said:
Right and admittingly.....knowing those other committees couldn't do a damn thing unless absolutely conclusive. Like they did with saying they would up security measures.
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you are not sattisfied with the answers provided by the other committees.

what answer are you looking for in this committee that the others failed to provide you.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good evening NIMBY - hope all is well.[
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I'll let you know after my upcoming upper and lower GI.
Miralax and docalax will not be my friends tomorrow.

In response to your drive by shooting,
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Yes those were cheap-shots.
But I'm tired of conservatives dancing on every grave they can find besides the ones they create,
including not taking responsibility for their part in this VA mess.

The USA has long since passed a time when the two parties can accomplish anything in congress.
And of course I blame Eric Cantor lock, stock and barrel.
I'd simply say that HRC has had ample opportunity to defend herself over the past couple of years
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How much defense is HRC allowed to put up to defend herself--any?
She's been in the GOP gunsights since the 2012 election, just as BHO was on the night of the 2008 election
and her most famous defense is "but what difference does it make".
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A quote so taken out of context I'm surprised to hear you lower yourself to using it.
After that much badgering, any of us would have been frustrated and gone off much worse.

I look forward to SoS Kerry ripping the GOP a new ass on the "select" committee.
As compared to the other dozen "not-so-select" committees.

As a student of our politics since Nixon, you know your team is about driving up the negatives and driving down the number of people voting .
 
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