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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You forget that after 9/11 Ghaddafi chose to renounce his weapons and his terrorist activities, at least outside Libya, and he had somewhat normalized relations with the west, something that Hussein never did. Hussein continued to ignore UN directives and to give the impression he had WMD if in fact he didn't have them.

    This is not to say that either man is missed - the world is better off without them - but there is a difference.
    the whole problem in iraq would not have happened if we had only removed Hussein and not remove from power every member of the Baath party that served in the regime. we effectivly gutted the governing body of iraq and brought instability to the country.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, I just don't see the hypocrisy here.
    We'll see. If she runs for the Democrat Presidential nomination, then her book is a political document and she uses a discussion of her Benghazi involvement for political purposes - that makes her a hypocrite. If, however, she doesn't seek the Democrat nomination, then her book is simply a contribution to history without political undertones/overtones. In my view, the former is far more likely - but I'll be prepared to apologize if the latter turns out to be the case.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Were you avoiding the questions about the committees on purpose? You do know the difference when pointed out to you correct?

    Did you need to read up on what a Select committee can do? Do you think Gowdy's depositions......are a clue?
    you are upset that the prior committees could not find evidence of Obama being to blame for Benghazi.

    again, to be blunt, you are like an executioner who is being denied a culprit of a crime to execute.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oooh you got technical.....but this changes nothing about whats been said. Okay, you say maters and I say tomato.

    The whole issue of what Gadhafi is or was......means nothing now. Not with this conversation and what Benghazi is about in Association with BO and his Hill-Dog.

    Here let me help you with some History.....its not hard to look up for one who is so intellectual like.
    Lord, what a long drawn out way to say you're wrong.

    2008 January - Libya takes over one-month rotating presidency of the UN Security Council in a step back to respectability after decades as a pariah of the West.
    The UN Security Council is a joke. Other members? Angola, Zaire, Cuba, Algeria, Pakistan, Vietnam - all beaming examples of human rights.

    2008 August - Libya and US sign agreement committing each side to compensate all victims of bombing attacks on the other's citizens.
    So? We sign agreement after agreement with 3rd world dictatorships all the time.

    Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi apologises to Libya for damage inflicted by Italy during the colonial era and signs a five billion dollar investment deal by way of compensation.
    I'm sure that money was taken from poverty stricken Italians and went to the poverty stricken Libyans being tortured by Gaddafi.

    2008 September - US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice makes historic visit - the highest-level US visit to Libya since 1953. Ms Rice says relations between the US and Libya have entered a "new phase".
    Dennis Rodman went to North Korea.
    2009 February - Gaddafi elected chairman of the African Union by leaders meeting in Ethiopia. Sets out ambition of "United States of Africa" even embracing the Caribbean.
    I wish you knew what that meant. He was a ceremonial head to a corrupt organization. Big deal.
    2009 June - Gaddafi pays first state visit to Italy, Libya's former colonial ruler and now its main trading partner.
    So one corrupt leader visits another.... and?
    2009 December- Diplomatic row with Switzerland and European Union after one of Gaddafi's sons is held in Switzerland on charges of mistreating domestic workers......snip~
    Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Dad is home mistreating the country, son is in another country mistreating house workers.

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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the whole problem in iraq would not have happened if we had only removed Hussein and not remove from power every member of the Baath party that served in the regime. we effectivly gutted the governing body of iraq and brought instability to the country.
    I don't disagree with you - I fault Bremner for the aftermath of the successful coalition war effort. It is very true that the American led coalition was welcomed in Iraq with open arms and the people in Baghdad and elsewhere were jubilant. But Bremner brought lawlessness to the streets by disbanding the Iraqi armed forces, sending them off with no work and heavily armed and allowed the treasures of the state to be looted without resistance until most all was lost. Once that Pandora's box of evil was opened, the transition was basically lost for years and years.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with you - I fault Bremner for the aftermath of the successful coalition war effort. It is very true that the American led coalition was welcomed in Iraq with open arms and the people in Baghdad and elsewhere were jubilant. But Bremner brought lawlessness to the streets by disbanding the Iraqi armed forces, sending them off with no work and heavily armed and allowed the treasures of the state to be looted without resistance until most all was lost. Once that Pandora's box of evil was opened, the transition was basically lost for years and years.
    it was not just disbanding the armed forces in iraq, it was banning the baath party that sowed the seeds of disaster.

    back when we were rebuilding germany after the war we kept many Nazis in power because they were the only ones with leadership skills required to perform any job. we had to make a deal with the devil in order to preserve the greater good.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We'll see. If she runs for the Democrat Presidential nomination, then her book is a political document and she uses a discussion of her Benghazi involvement for political purposes - that makes her a hypocrite. If, however, she doesn't seek the Democrat nomination, then her book is simply a contribution to history without political undertones/overtones. In my view, the former is far more likely - but I'll be prepared to apologize if the latter turns out to be the case.
    That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.


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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.
    That's the difference between you and I. I see her book as totally political - an attempt to get her side of all stories out there, do the book tour thingie for free political exposure, and determine whether or not she's sufficiently fooled the population into thinking she's President material. It's quite similar to the Obama playbook - only thing left to see is if the American people are gullible enough to fall for it again.
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's just plain silly, what she wrote in that chapter in of her book is what it is. It doesn't change whether she runs or not.
    While HRC's opponents began dancing on the graves of the Benghazi dead after the 2012 election in trying to destroy her,
    they now hypocritically whine about her defending herself against the sleazy, scurrilous lies coming from Reince Priebus and co.

    Too bad the GOP didn't show as much concern for the 4,500 they sent to their deaths based on lies and deceptions.
    And the hundreds of thousands of Veterans of the Iraqi war that have swamped the VA which continues to deal with VFWs back to WW2.

    VFWs like my Dad, parked in a wheelchair in a hallway heavily sedated with food pocketed for 3 weeks at the end of Bush's disastrous Presidency.
    Luckily for our family, Illinois has four good Veteran's homes and a bed opened up for Dad .
    The VA did the best it could with whaqt they were given, which was never enough, which is why Shinseki was fired by Bush last decade .
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    Re: Exclusive: Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's the difference between you and I. I see her book as totally political - an attempt to get her side of all stories out there
    As a typical conservative hack, you would prefer that HRC not defend herself from two years of GOPs dancing on the graves of the Benghazi dead .
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