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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Responsible? We dont know who has what, we know what he claims to a journalist. And beyond that, I dont consider how he gave the info over to be responsible. In his own words he gave bulk data to journalists, and trusted them to release info that wouldnt be harmful to people.

    In the interview he states that we haven't heard of anybody harmed by this data being released-but that does not mean nobody has been harmed. People aren't exactly going to go to the news and say "hey this info we got helped us kill 2 informants, THANKS SNOWDEN! Nor would the US confirm or deny or even address this publicly-which would lend credibility to the info Snowden leaked being good info.
    I consider the release of information that reveals criminal acts by the government to be very responsible, even at first glance. Hell, I consider it to be an act of patriotism, whether Ellsberg, Snowden, Manning, Drake, Kiriakou or anybody else.

    Government crimes should be exposed. The individuals who were responsible for those crimes should be prosecuted.

    But hell, I'm a hopelessly romantic idealist, fantasizing that the rule of law operates in this country.

    Snowden did everything he could, and he did it right. Drake and the others who tried to work within the system were prosecuted and imprisoned.

    Snowden did the right thing.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how the Constitution is the supreme law of the land the NSA agents were not obeying the law. No lower level law can trump the Constitution.
    Yes, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and I am against these very invasive laws. But Im saying there is an entire army of lawyers who are going to present this as very much in line with prior legislation and the Constitution.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I consider the release of information that reveals criminal acts by the government to be very responsible, even at first glance. Hell, I consider it to be an act of patriotism, whether Ellsberg, Snowden, Manning, Drake, Kiriakou or anybody else.

    Government crimes should be exposed. The individuals who were responsible for those crimes should be prosecuted.

    But hell, I'm a hopelessly romantic idealist, fantasizing that the rule of law operates in this country.

    Snowden did everything he could, and he did it right. Drake and the others who tried to work within the system were prosecuted and imprisoned.

    Snowden did the right thing.
    Although I am against the NSA tactics, thats only a small portion of the data leaked-this is about much more. And now he's hiding in Russia, and trying to get to Cuba or latin America or whatever. He's still guilty of high crimes, in any case.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Although I am against the NSA tactics, thats only a small portion of the data leaked-this is about much more. And now he's hiding in Russia, and trying to get to Cuba or latin America or whatever. He's still guilty of high crimes, in any case.
    He is "hiding" in Russia because his government has revoked his passport and declared him Public Enemy #1, making his safe return to the US impossible.

    High Crimes are the deliberate violation of Constitutional principles by elected officials.

    Snowden's "crimes" are against the state, petty offenses that mean something only to a bureaucrat. He is a true patriot, willing to accept the depredations of the state so that his fellow citizens might be informed of government crimes.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    He is "hiding" in Russia because his government has revoked his passport and declared him Public Enemy #1, making his safe return to the US impossible.

    High Crimes are the deliberate violation of Constitutional principles by elected officials.

    Snowden's "crimes" are against the state, petty offenses that mean something only to a bureaucrat. He is a true patriot, willing to accept the depredations of the state so that his fellow citizens might be informed of government crimes.
    They revoked his passport because he stole and distributed states secrets, thats not petty. And lets not forget he was trying to get to cuba.
    He likely wont be able to return to the US.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Right. Data mining is a potent tool and the Fourth Amendment is not worth the paper it's written on.
    It is probably the most important dichotomy to be resolved.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They revoked his passport because he stole and distributed states secrets, thats not petty. And lets not forget he was trying to get to cuba.
    He likely wont be able to return to the US.
    No, you're right--in this case it's not petty, it's heroic.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No, you're right--in this case it's not petty, it's heroic.
    This "hero" of yours is going to make someone a fine wife in prison.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    I don't think Snowden is necessarily a hero, I don't think any of us knows enough yet to know whether he was in the right or wrong. But, if he's in the right on this, it is good to see the government get bitch slapped when they break the law.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This "hero" of yours is going to make someone a fine wife in prison.
    I fervently hope you are not speaking from experience.

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