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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I think tax legislation should be simple enough that one doesn't have to file anything at all.
    That would basically mean doing away with the income tax, going to a national sales tax or something akin to it. Which wouldn't in my book be a bad thing. Then people would pay would pay the tax based on what they consume and buy. That would seem to be the fairest way to tax people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Yes, indeed.
    That's why the tax code will never be revamped.
    Too much money has been spent "adjusting" it.
    That is the truth.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That would basically mean doing away with the income tax, going to a national sales tax or something akin to it. Which wouldn't in my book be a bad thing. Then people would pay would pay the tax based on what they consume and buy. That would seem to be the fairest way to tax people.
    I would personally go with what Adam Smith, Thomas Paine, and Milton Friedman preferred: ground rent (aka LV'T', aka the Single Tax).
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    The man broke the law for doing what he did --- and I'm glad he was willing to do so. It's important that the people know what our government is doing, is capable of doing and may be doing without the courts or oversite as our government claims. Snowden isn't the threat, the NSA is the threat.

    <waves to the NSA bastard watching me type this>
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And how do you know he gave that to China and Russia? Did Brian Williams tell you, or maybe Dianne Feinstein?

    More importantly, he gave it to the world, and in a responsible manner.
    Responsible? We dont know who has what, we know what he claims to a journalist. And beyond that, I dont consider how he gave the info over to be responsible. In his own words he gave bulk data to journalists, and trusted them to release info that wouldnt be harmful to people.

    In the interview he states that we haven't heard of anybody harmed by this data being released-but that does not mean nobody has been harmed. People aren't exactly going to go to the news and say "hey this info we got helped us kill 2 informants, THANKS SNOWDEN! Nor would the US confirm or deny or even address this publicly-which would lend credibility to the info Snowden leaked being good info.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    You do realize the deck was and still is stacked against him right? You can't go against the gov't. They won't allow it and will not allow a fair trial. What else is he to do? Just continue the status quo?
    He knew what he was doing, and he will be punished accordingly.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    He knew what he was doing, and he will be punished accordingly.
    The government needs to be punished accordingly.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not a left winger.If anyone has betrayed the US it is the NSA agents spying on Americans and the rat degenerate pieces of **** scum in office who continue to allow the NSA to spy on Americans. Last I checked the constitution is the supreme law of the land and all those elected official made an oath to uphold and defend the constitution.
    I appreciate the sentiment-but the NSA agents were complying with what has been found to be legal. I dont expect low level agents to make these decisions. Rather, I blame the higher ups and the man in charge-Obama for this. Remember, Obama ran against the Patriot act, and it was a sunsetting law-Obama had to act in the affirmative to keep it as law, and then to expand it greatly. Now we spy on everyone, and not just in the US. And no, Im not cool with it in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The government needs to be punished accordingly.
    I dont disagree.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment-but the NSA agents were complying with what has been found to be legal. I dont expect low level agents to make these decisions. Rather, I blame the higher ups and the man in charge-Obama for this. Remember, Obama ran against the Patriot act, and it was a sunsetting law-Obama had to act in the affirmative to keep it as law, and then to expand it greatly. Now we spy on everyone, and not just in the US. And no, Im not cool with it in the least.

    Seeing how the Constitution is the supreme law of the land the NSA agents were not obeying the law. No lower level law can trump the Constitution.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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