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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He's absolutely a hero and patriot. The fascist corporate government of ours has been exploiting 9/11 to justify huge power grabs, it's time to get this under control.
    Please to tell me how you are less free today than before 9/11. Other than horrible inconveniences at the airport, my life goes on as before. Yours?

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And how do you know he gave that to China and Russia? Did Brian Williams tell you, or maybe Dianne Feinstein?

    More importantly, he gave it to the world, and in a responsible manner.
    Russia isn't sheltering Snowden purely for purposes of goodwill. Russia places great emphasis on reciprocity. It is sheltering him for mutual benefit: giving him shelter (his need) in exchange for critical information (its need). To believe that Russia would allow Snowden to reside there in the face of strong U.S. pressure and that the FSB would keep its hands off the contents of Snowden's laptops/flash drives doesn't make much sense. Russia would want something in return for its efforts and it almost certainly has it, and probably voluntarily in exchange for his being permitted to leave the airport.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I hate what the NSA was and still is doing to US Citizens.

    Snowden is still a traitor - for doing what he did the way he did it. He damn sure ain't no hero for giving China and then Russia everything that he had.
    Interesting that all three branches of government made changes due to his outing the info. (his words)

    He said he tried to do it the right way. (guessing as a whistle blower) but was rebuffed.

    I personally didn't need Snowden to tell me that our government does many unseemly and unconstitutional things. I known that pretty much since I was a teen.

    I also doubt Russia or China was surprised by the info although, if he's labeled a traitor, that act would qualify.
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please to tell me how you are less free today than before 9/11. Other than horrible inconveniences at the airport, my life goes on as before. Yours?
    http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    That would be the answer to, "What freedoms to you think we've lost?"

    What's the answer to my question: "How are you less free after 9/11?"

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW[W:28]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please to tell me how you are less free today than before 9/11. Other than horrible inconveniences at the airport, my life goes on as before. Yours?
    Massive spying, TSA, HLS, Patriot Act, lists for everything, free speech zones, infinity war, etc. The government does what it wants, it does not listen to the People nor is it constrained by the Constitution. It has morphed into a fascist regime and is clearly aimed at the rights and liberties of the people. Speech will become more stifled, the press more cotrolled, privacy and property will go away as concepts and will be replaced by the ever watchful eye of a Big Brother.

    It seems pretty obvious. Oh sure, I mean if you keep your head down and your mouth shut, it can functionally appear as if nothing has changed dramatically, but it has. The very foundation of liberty is being erroded, and if we don't look up, don't open our mouths soon...it's going to degrade into an unsalvageable system.
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I hate what the NSA was and still is doing to US Citizens.

    Snowden is still a traitor - for doing what he did the way he did it. He damn sure ain't no hero for giving China and then Russia everything that he had.
    I would like to see a link documenting that. There is no suggestion that Snowden gave either of those Nations anything, and he is only in Russia because of USA State Dept. revocation of Visa while he was in transit at the Moscow Airport. And while you are at it, show one piece of military info that he has revealed and even one individual damaged by his revelations. These are simple requests to a simple mind. If what you say is true, you will have no problem producing the requisite links.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Russia isn't sheltering Snowden purely for purposes of goodwill. Russia places great emphasis on reciprocity. It is sheltering him for mutual benefit: giving him shelter (his need) in exchange for critical information (its need). To believe that Russia would allow Snowden to reside there in the face of strong U.S. pressure and that the FSB would keep its hands off the contents of Snowden's laptops/flash drives doesn't make much sense. Russia would want something in return for its efforts and it almost certainly has it, and probably voluntarily in exchange for his being permitted to leave the airport.
    Don, you are a consistent mouthpiece for the USA Gov't line of propaganda. Your hypotheticals require links or they are simply bureaucratic bullcrap. End of story.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    I have followed this storyline since 2005 when Risen of the New York Times told us all about it.
    http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/Cal...ad.php?t=14276

    There is no doubt that Edward Snowden's leaks have resulted in a huge "Loss" for the U.S., but it will not be expressed with "Lives Lost", but rather huge financial losses for all U.S. tech manufacturing companies.

    The U.S. has based its future on the "Information Age" rather than industrial manufacturing and it is now all lost.

    The U.S. does not talk much about what it is costing them financially because it brings to mind the economic espionage aspects of the surveillance, so they dwell upon "Lives Lost" rather than the collapse of the technology sector within North America. Nobody investing in commercial software or high-end computer hardware wants to purchase U.S. made products.

    The real reason for the "Domestic Surveillance" is to get all the toys in place for the implementation of a Police State as the North American economy continues to crumble.
    http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/Cal...ad.php?t=11252

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Snowden = Hero.

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