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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You're right. Much of the government consists of arrogant children who froth at the mouth whenever anyone challenges them. This has nothing to do with national security and you know it. Just look what happens when the president or a politician reveals truly sensitive information and compare that to how they are treating Snowden.
    There were millions of documents released by snowden directly to journalists, meaning they were not screened. I wish I could believe that my desire trumps reality-but thats just not so.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    You are implying that he released everything he took. He did not.



    Then there is no reason to joke about it, especially when the victim is a defender of the US Constitution.
    No Im not, you are projecting. Try hard-is saying that Snowden took and released to the media so many documents that he could not possibly know the scope of each file THE SAME as saying he released everything he took?

    Try to think here.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A counter which A) is incorrect (terrorist wasn't really a term of the time) and B) is immaterial, as their charge would have been incorrect (of terrorism).


    If you have to lower the threshold of 'hero' so that Ahmed Shekau, Zarqawi, Hitler, Pol-Pot, and Charles Manson all apply in order to defend the notion that Snowden is a hero, well, that says a lot more about Snowden than might have been intended.
    Let's face it--beauty and hero status reside in the eye of the beholder.

    As far as I'm concerned any person who reveals the crimes of government is a hero.

    As far as I'm concerned any government employee who honors and defends the US Constitution and the principles it represents is a hero.

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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. Then I think you meant to say has thus far had published; because he released all that crap, it's simply not currently available open-source, but on whatever networks the Chinese, Russians, and whomever they have decided to share it with have.
    What I know is that he has kept everything he has taken on computers/drives. Some of it has be released over time, but not everything. I don't know whether Snowden has released all of it to the Guardian, Greenwald, or others in the media. You have no proof the Chinese or Russians have it all so stop playing that speculation game.
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No he's frigging not. He poses that way so that useful fools will rush to defend him and he can be effective on the world stage as a spoiler for US foreign diplomacy,
    The only fools I see are the ones who buy everything the government/corporate media says hook, line, and sinker whenever they view someone as a threat.


    but if he was merely a defender of the US Constitution then he would not have made public many of the things that he has.
    There was no way he could legally call out the govt's illegal actions. His position did not grant whistleblower protections.

    Btw, the law he is being charged under was originally meant for spies, not those acting out of the public interest.
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Really. That's fascinating. Tell me more about how our defenses and actions against chinese cyber warfare capability have nothing to do with national security? How about our means, methods, and capabilities to collect against the leaders and planners of terrorist organizations - I would love to hear about how that has no impact on national security.
    Please provide proof that our actions against Chinese cyber-warfare have been hindered because of Snowden.
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There were millions of documents released by snowden directly to journalists, meaning they were not screened. I wish I could believe that my desire trumps reality-but thats just not so.
    Wrong. According to the NSA, he gathered over 1.5 million documents (down from the 1.77 million they originally predicted). Even this estimate is questioned. What we do know for sure is he released about 200,000 documents to the media. Only about 300 documents have been published, so far (many of them with redactions).
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No Im not, you are projecting. Try hard-is saying that Snowden took and released to the media so many documents that he could not possibly know the scope of each file THE SAME as saying he released everything he took?

    Try to think here.
    Perhaps you should check your facts before you start throwing out numbers (refer to previous post).
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    Re: Edward Snowden NBC NEWS FULL INTERVIEW

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ahmed Shekau, Zarqawi, Hitler, Pol-Pot, and Charles Manson all apply in order to defend the notion that Snowden is a hero, well, that says a lot more about Snowden than might have been intended.
    Comparing Snowden to Hitler and Pol-Pot...

    Let me ask you this: Do you think it is possible that an act could be both heroic AND illegal?
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