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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Whatever. NOT an accurate comparison. This is the government breaking the law, and protecting its own ability through its own lesser laws and institutions to go on breaking that law. No comparison whatsoever to be made to normal and inevitable miscarriages of justice between government and non-government criminals.
    Yes yes, we get it, you're outraged at the Governments actions, you want them to stop. Who should be held accountable? Lemme guess? Arrest Bush?

    Please, the way Snowden did this was wrong. I have no use for the man, and if ever caught should be tried as a traitor and shot.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Man, I wish I still worked at NSA. This type of stuff would be so much funnier. I mean, it's still funny but...kinda bittersweet.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes yes, we get it, you're outraged at the Governments actions, you want them to stop. Who should be held accountable? Lemme guess? Arrest Bush?

    Please, the way Snowden did this was wrong. I have no use for the man, and if ever caught should be tried as a traitor and shot.
    There was no other way, so the choice was do it this way or do it not at all. I am very happy he chose effective action.

    You think you have me figured out. So amusing. But pathetically irrelevant.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    There was no other way, so the choice was do it this way or do it not at all. I am very happy he chose effective action.

    You think you have me figured out. So amusing. But pathetically irrelevant.
    I love how you people just say "There was no other way". That's such a weak cop out.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I love how you people just say "There was no other way". That's such a weak cop out.
    Just good judgement.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Please, the way Snowden did this was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I love how you people just say "There was no other way". That's such a weak cop out.
    You keep saying you dislike what he did and that he deserves death, but you haven't told us or said how you think he should have gone about his business.

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    You keep saying you dislike what he did and that he deserves death, but you haven't told us or said how you think he should have gone about his business.
    I have, but you people keep saying that the ONLY way to get the results you think are working *(their still spying on you... even now as we type... ) was for Snowden to snag as much sensitive data on a large range of classified government programs set up elaborate data dumps to ensure his survival and flee to Russia. What you people always, ALWAYS leave out, is that to get Putin to play along with this little game, was Snowden had to make the deal worth the hassle. Putin doesn't suffer fools, and a courageous american patriot exposing the Evils the US Government is up too isn't enough. Do you REALLY think Snowden, who went through so much effort to stay "alive" using information for leverage didn't also hand everything over to the Russians?

    THAT is where his actions most anger me. THAT is the real source of my ire, and why I call him a traitor. You can believe otherwise on whatever fairy tale this "honest guy Snowden" has claimed, it don't pass the smell or common sense test.


    He could have instead;

    1. Gone to a powerful GOP/DNC senator or house member. Darrell Issa for example, got him just enough data to see the big picture, gotten assured immunity, protection and the majority of what you all claim Snowden's information exposed, would be known.

    2. Released just enough publicly, anonymously and gotten the juicier stuff to media outlets and again senators/house members that were likely to run with that information.

    But he didn't. He hooked himself up with a free ride into Russia, and it wasn't on his good intentions either that he got there.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    If Greenwald publishes this info, his will be the greater offense, because it will suggest to family members, bosses/co-workers, friends, and acquaintances of those named that they are doing something improper. Whether you like what the government is doing or not, at least they keep (the vast majority of) the information they collect classified.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I love how you people just say "There was no other way". That's such a weak cop out.
    In this case it's not a cop out, it is an accurate statement.

    The truth and accuracy of the statement is corroborated by the statements and experiences of Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou and a handful of other senior NSA types who tried to work "within the system" and failed utterly, being prosecuted and imprisoned in the process. Their story was covered recently by PBS in a documentary entitled The United States Of Secrets.

    Read it and weep.

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