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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Woah buddy, you're the one that in a previous thread dismissed, with SEIU spin and lies the reality the SEIU forced, against their will some 30-40 THOUSAND poor, low income "home health caregivers" (read family members taking care of disabled family generally) into being unionized, in the process stealing MILLIONS from them. You had no problem with this enforced government mandated unionization. That the moment these people were able to break from they did so in a majority of the cases and your anger at this reality shows you WANT government to enforce behavior you support.

    Ergo your being upset at the NSA Spying is puzzling, seeing as to have the world you want you need government to do things like spy on citizens.

    The problem here isn't me moving goalposts, it's your upset that I call you out and that you have no defense. I spoil your little propaganda speeches.
    For those of us who have read the US Constitution and understand all the words and meanings in it, and for those of us who might have taken an oath to defend that document and its principles, what Snowden and Greenwald and others have revealed is important because it shows the federal government is breaking the Law Of the Land as it pleases.

    Perhaps you are happy that the government is criminal and shows no respect for the document and that elected officials care not a bit about their oath of office, but I'm not. You might embrace a criminal government, and defend its actions at every chance, but I'm not.

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    For those of us who have read the US Constitution and understand all the words and meanings in it, and for those of us who might have taken an oath to defend that document and its principles, what Snowden and Greenwald and others have revealed is important because it shows the federal government is breaking the Law Of the Land as it pleases.

    Perhaps you are happy that the government is criminal and shows no respect for the document and that elected officials care not a bit about their oath of office, but I'm not. You might embrace a criminal government, and defend its actions at every chance, but I'm not.
    Spare me the morality play bull**** about how the means justify the ends. You people are sadly misguided.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This was my main point: once the non-actual threat's name is out there, it becomes a target for social repercussions. Being associated with possible threats, even if the story was meant to be saying that the NSA is acting with malice toward the law-abiding citizenry, now means the public at large may see you as suspicious. Joe Q. Public may be generally law-abiding (at least where it counts). That being said, when Joe Q. Public is found listed for all to see with a list of other names thought to be worth looking into by the NSA, Joe is now more suspicious than someone not on the list. Being on the list, now publicly disseminated, is more of a liability than a gift.

    In this case, although the NSA has likely targeted many innocents and Greenwald is supposedly acting to reverse this, Greenwald may be putting innocents in harms way by publishing the names of people targeted by the NSA.
    Considering that everyone hates the NSA, John Q. should be safe from retribution. Now if his name is Faisal Israel Mohammad, you may have a valid point. I for one would hate to see peoples killing Sikhs in convenience stores again.

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Spare me the morality play bull**** about how the means justify the ends. You people are sadly misguided.
    I would say that a person who defends government law breaking is the misguided one....

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I would say that a person who defends government law breaking is the misguided one....
    I'm not. Never have. So now what?
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm not. Never have. So now what?
    Perhaps I've misunderstood your previous posts.

    You come across as though Snowden and Greenwald are the bad guys in this little morality play.

    Did I misunderstand? Could you straighten me out if I have?

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Perhaps I've misunderstood your previous posts.

    You come across as though Snowden and Greenwald are the bad guys in this little morality play.

    Did I misunderstand? Could you straighten me out if I have?
    They are. Snowden ahould be shot, ges a ****ing traitor. Do I oppose the programs he... they exposed. Yep. 100%. However, the way this went down, was not heroic, it was maximum damage to the country. The way you do so n ething is as important as the methods and motivations.
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Conspiracy nonsense based, as usual, on nothing.

    Seriously, dude... the "Great Satan" thing? Not real.

    seriously dude....trolling?

    Your best is pretty lame
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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They are. Snowden ahould be shot, ges a ****ing traitor. Do I oppose the programs he... they exposed. Yep. 100%. However, the way this went down, was not heroic, it was maximum damage to the country. The way you do so n ething is as important as the methods and motivations.
    Good--I did not misread your earlier posts.

    You don't know, it seems, the difference between a country and its government. They are 2 different things.

    What Snowden, Manning and Ellsberg and Drake and others revealed did not hurt this country, it strengthened it.

    What they revealed certainly DID harm the government's credibility, no doubt.

    Someone that conflates government and country is not well informed.

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    Re: Glenn Greenwald to publish list of U.S. citizens that NSA spied on

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    seriously dude....trolling?

    Your best is pretty lame
    It's a fair comment on his OP. Feel free to ignore it.

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