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Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118, 139]

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Any knee jerk response that assumes we create the mindsets of other people are childish and ignorant by very nature.

So true.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

What sort of attitude would you recommend about enemies sworn to kill you? Why do we need to win a PC war? Would it be better for America to be feared rather than loved?

I would recommend killing them first with respect for neither their religion or culture. I would prefer America be respected by their friends and feared by any enemies of human rights and freedoms.

Democracy and an understanding of human rights and freedoms did not come easily over the history of mankind and they must be protected at all times. We have come to take them for granted, and that is truly dangerous.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

What changes for all others.....if we are out of the picture?

Nothing changes and that's the point. Whether we are there or not, nothing changes except for the fact that we put OUR people in harms way that doesn't accomplish anything.

Tell me, did Disposing of Saddam stop all violence there? Nope, people still die there due to violence everyday. Same in Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc.

The reality is, we are not nation builders....well at least good ones.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Nothing changes and that's the point. Whether we are there or not, nothing changes except for the fact that we put OUR people in harms way that doesn't accomplish anything.

Tell me, did Disposing of Saddam stop all violence there? Nope, people still die there due to violence everyday. Same in Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc.

The reality is, we are not nation builders....well at least good ones.

The war should have stopped after Shock and Awe and the capture and trial of Saddam. Then repeat as necessary until they get it right. The trick is always, as Barney Fife once said to "Nip it, Andy! Nip it in the bud"! That would have applied to Iran as well.

The US has a stockpile of some excellent weapons for a reason, and they should be used.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The war should have stopped after Shock and Awe and the capture and trial of Saddam. Then repeat as necessary until they get it right. The trick is always, as Barney Fife once said to "Nip it, Andy! Nip it in the bud"! That would have applied to Iran as well.

The US has a stockpile of some excellent weapons for a reason, and they should be used.

AFter we toppled Saddam that was when Al-Qaeda moved in and fast. So your "shock and awe" solution was nothing more than creating a vacuum for even worse people to come in. Glad you weren't in military planning.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

AFter we toppled Saddam that was when Al-Qaeda moved in and fast. So your "shock and awe" solution was nothing more than creating a vacuum for even worse people to come in. Glad you weren't in military planning.

Then repeat Shock and Awe on Al Qaeda. Continue as necessary.

The Israelis, as so often happens, had the right idea. BBC ON THIS DAY | 7 | 1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

AFter we toppled Saddam that was when Al-Qaeda moved in and fast. So your "shock and awe" solution was nothing more than creating a vacuum for even worse people to come in. Glad you weren't in military planning.

AlQ is not a dictatorship over Iraq. It has not committed genocide twice, invaded neighbors twice and institutionalized rape. It doesn't average 50k Iraqis killed per year like Saddam.

You've completely lost scale and ventured into nonsense.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

You've completely lost scale and ventured into nonsense.

Well then suit up and get your ass to Iraq if you agree with it so much and stay there until the job is done.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

We then suit up and get your ass to Iraq if you agree with it so much and stay there until the job is done.

A typical meaningless reply of those without any sense of an argument.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

A typical meaningless reply of those without any sense of an argument.

A typical response from someone not man enough to do what he asks others to do in his place.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

A typical response from someone not man enough to do what he asks others to do in his place.

The military is voluntary.

Your reply is as stupid as telling someone "join the police force and work in Detroit" if they complain about crime. It's BS and it shows that your argument is empty crap.

You try to make personal attacks to cover for your ignorance.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The military is voluntary.

Your reply is as stupid as telling someone "join the police force and work in Detroit" if they complain about crime. It's absolute BS and shows that your argument is empty crap.

And it your comment shows a chicken hawk attitude. You like wars but only if YOU don't have to fight them.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

And it your comment shows a chicken hawk attitude. You like wars but only if YOU don't have to fight them.

I'm not gonna tell you about my military service, because there is no need. Your argument is BS and is typical of ignorant rants. You attempt to attack the person as a way of covering for your false claims.

I blew your claim out of the water, and the only thing you can do about it is question my manhood.

Everyone can see your attempt to cover getting obliterated is desperate and wrong.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
How about you two take your little slap fight to the basement or knock it off. I don't care which one you do, but continuing it in this upstairs thread isn't an option unless you want points
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Nothing changes and that's the point. Whether we are there or not, nothing changes except for the fact that we put OUR people in harms way that doesn't accomplish anything.

Tell me, did Disposing of Saddam stop all violence there? Nope, people still die there due to violence everyday. Same in Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc.

The reality is, we are not nation builders....well at least good ones.

No one said removing Saddam would stop all violence there; violence is ingrained in their culture. But what it did was stop a man who during his reign had possibly 200,000 Iraqis brutally murdered by his Iraqi Gulag.

It is estimated that he was responsible for around 900,000 Iraqi deaths during his reign. Did he need to go? Yes, absolutely.

And there have been massive changes. They aren't hard to see. Saying nothing changes is incorrect at best and ignorant at worst.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

No one said removing Saddam would stop all violence there; violence is ingrained in their culture. But what it did was stop a man who during his reign had possibly 200,000 Iraqis brutally murdered by his Iraqi Gulag.

It is estimated that he was responsible for around 900,000 Iraqi deaths during his reign. Did he need to go? Yes, absolutely.

And there have been massive changes. They aren't hard to see. Saying nothing changes is incorrect at best and ignorant at worst.

And how many civilians died in the war and subsequent occupation/terrorism? Hundreds of thousands. Like I said, more of the same, the only difference is instead of one guy to go after, you now have thousdands. Yeah, that's much better. :roll:
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

It is better. You no longer having a dictator committing mass genocide. How is getting rid of that dictator a bad thing?


And how many civilians died in the war and subsequent occupation/terrorism? Hundreds of thousands. Like I said, more of the same, the only difference is instead of one guy to go after, you now have thousdands. Yeah, that's much better. :roll:
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

And how many civilians died in the war and subsequent occupation/terrorism? Hundreds of thousands. Like I said, more of the same, the only difference is instead of one guy to go after, you now have thousdands. Yeah, that's much better. :roll:

As we know it was Muslims murdering Muslims which contributed to the high death toll in Iraq and that continues. The 'root cause' of modern terrorism is Islamism, not Americans or any of the other democracies..
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

As we know it was Muslims murdering Muslims which contributed to the high death toll in Iraq and that continues. The 'root cause' of modern terrorism is Islamism, not Americans or any of the other democracies..

Disposing Saddaam allowed far more terrorists into the country killing civilians so yes that is a DIRECT result of the U.S. getting rid of Saddam. The hypocrisy is that there are DOZENS of countries with dictators you and other Cons don't give two shakes of a piss about. Yet because Iraq is in the ME you want to plant our flag there.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

It is better. You no longer having a dictator committing mass genocide. How is getting rid of that dictator a bad thing?

No it isn't because you had THOUSANDS of terrorists commiting mass genocide. So instead of having ONE person you had thousands. Violence is STILL going on today because of it.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

No it isn't because you had THOUSANDS of terrorists commiting mass genocide. So instead of having ONE person you had thousands. Violence is STILL going on today because of it.

Violence will continue as long as you have a cult of billions who believe that the world must bend to the will of their fake god.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

No. Disposing Saddam gave a repressed people the chance to fight for a more fair government. If you wanted to argue that the government we tried to help put in place was wrong, I would be more apt to agree with you there.

Disposing Saddaam allowed far more terrorists into the country killing civilians so yes that is a DIRECT result of the U.S. getting rid of Saddam. The hypocrisy is that there are DOZENS of countries with dictators you and other Cons don't give two shakes of a piss about. Yet because Iraq is in the ME you want to plant our flag there.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The difference being that now you have people fighting for their place in their own country instead of having one man kill hundreds of thousands of people just because they wanted the option to be able to choose who was in charge.

No it isn't because you had THOUSANDS of terrorists commiting mass genocide. So instead of having ONE person you had thousands. Violence is STILL going on today because of it.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Disposing Saddaam allowed far more terrorists into the country killing civilians so yes that is a DIRECT result of the U.S. getting rid of Saddam. The hypocrisy is that there are DOZENS of countries with dictators you and other Cons don't give two shakes of a piss about. Yet because Iraq is in the ME you want to plant our flag there.

You appear to contradict yourself here. It was the "Cons" like me who wanted an end to the genocide, the rape rooms, the mass graves, the damage to the environment, and so on, while you "progressives" wanted to maintain all of the above.

You can blame the Islamists for entering the country and murdering civilians but no one else.
 
Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

No it isn't because you had THOUSANDS of terrorists commiting mass genocide. So instead of having ONE person you had thousands. Violence is STILL going on today because of it.

Violence is still going on because Islamists want to continue the spread of Islam, and they would be doing that no matter what happened in Iraq. It could be argued that Barrack Obama is making their job a lot easier.
 
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