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Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118, 139]

re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

I obviously meant a conventional war.

Yes, I know. But the unconventional war is winning and it doesn't appear necessary to change tactics now, if they continue to have the patience.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

He would have no choice.....even the Democrats would all be about making sure Iran has a real understanding about reality.

Can any say that Iran.....hasn't tested us moreso now than at any other time in these last 30-40 years?

Yes, you're probably right. I am perhaps too cynical about Obama.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Why get involved at all? If Israel want to make the decision to attack Iran, yet them do it and let them live with the consequences.

The Democracies must stick together. United we stand...etc.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Yes, I know. But the unconventional war is winning and it doesn't appear necessary to change tactics now, if they continue to have the patience.

I dont disagree we should continue to oppose their proxies where possible.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Yes, you're probably right. I am perhaps too cynical about Obama.

Well.....you have good reason to be. When his policies continuously fail and he has to......uhm, well you know.....reset. This also might explain why he is going to give a speech about pulling back with his FP for his last 2 years. But he says he still considers himself and interventionist and Internationalist.



As reported on May 19 on The Daily Caller, Iran has put up new roadblocks to reaching a deal with the P5+1 world powers over its illicit nuclear program. The powers are the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, plus Germany.

Three days of negotiations in the fourth round of Geneva meetings ended recently without concrete results when the Iranian team presented the country’s new “red lines” — diminishing any hope by the Obama administration to claim victory in its approach to Iran’s nuclear ambitions, according to reports from Iran.

The Iranian delegation last week presented new red lines that could not be crossed, including the expansion of the country’s research and development for its nuclear program, the need of the country to continue enrichment, and the fact that the country’s ballistic missile program — despite U.N. sanctions — is not up for negotiation.

At the same time, IAEA officials met again with their Iranian counterparts last week in Tehran to discuss information on the work on detonators and needed collaboration by the regime to clear outstanding issues on its nuclear program as part of seven transparency steps Iran had agreed to fulfill by May 15, which has yet to take place.....snip~
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

They have been punching above there weight for a couple of generations now. A people living on a sliver of land facing against some of the most despotic regimes in the world is doing better than anyone could expect.

Eh, I don't know about that. Perhaps from the '67 War on down. Since then, maybe later, they've been the hegemony or close to it in their region.

FYI - It can perhaps be interpreted that I was taking a swipe at Israel. I wasn't.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The Democracies must stick together. United we stand...etc.

Nah homie. I don't play that stand together no matter what stuff. I'm on that quid pro quo game. I'm on that you do you, let's stay out of crazy situations. Ya dig?
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

I obviously meant a conventional war.

It was difficult to know what you meant since you offered a statement so very ignorant of the points of view of those controlling Iran.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Nah homie. I don't play that stand together no matter what stuff. I'm on that quid pro quo game. I'm on that you do you, let's stay out of crazy situations. Ya dig?

:lol: Yeah the other part that goes with it too. Do me once......shame on you the first time. Do me twice shame on me. Aint no third time brutha. :mrgreen:
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

It was difficult to know what you meant since you offered a statement so very ignorant of the points of view of those controlling Iran.

Perhaps you should give me the benefit of the doubt.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Perhaps you should give me the benefit of the doubt.

Not when you have displayed such a distinct lack of acumen, I won't. You make the mistake of assuming rational actors according to a very outdated M.A.D. doctrine that does not apply here.

The Mullahs do not operate according to our western notions.THey operate according to their own.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Lets drone strike their nuclear facilities, set them back decades in technology nuclear-wise and be done with it.

People may cry but no one is gunna **** with the U.S. Just like when Putin annexed Crimea, we cried, but we can't **** with him.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Not when you have displayed such a distinct lack of acumen, I won't. You make the mistake of assuming rational actors according to a very outdated M.A.D. doctrine that does not apply here.

The Mullahs do not operate according to our western notions.THey operate according to their own.

The Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, and they certainly want to hang onto their own power as much as any other powerful person. What I'm talking about isn't M.A.D though, since Iran lacks the power to truly destroy us any attack by them, even a nuclear one, would be severely damaging but would ultimately not destroy us.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

They've been doing this for years. It's like a script...

Yes, we'll cooperate and let you inspect things....
No, you can't go in there.
All UN inspectors leave the country!
No, just kidding, we'll cooperate... in a few months...
No we won't, we're going to nuke Israel.
No, just kidding, bring the inspectors back...
... but no, they can't go in THAT site...
All inspectors out of the country! We're going to nuke America!
... Just kidding, no really, we'll cooperate this time...


Over and over, and we keep buying it. They must think we're about as smart as the Three Stooges...

It's that Finesse that wiseone wants.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, and they certainly want to hang onto their own power as much as any other powerful person. What I'm talking about isn't M.A.D though, since Iran lacks the power to truly destroy us any attack by them, even a nuclear one, would be severely damaging but would ultimately not destroy us.

Talk about switching the goal posts.


You did not indicate they simply lacked the power to completely destroy us. You indicated a VERY M.A.D-like attitude that their fear of retaliation would stop them from attacking us tobegin with.

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A little honesty here might be in order.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Talk about switching the goal posts.


You did not indicate they simply lacked the power to completely destroy us. You indicated a VERY M.A.D-like attitude that their fear of retaliation would stop them from attacking us tobegin with.

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A little honesty here might be in order.

Yes a fear of retaliation will keep them from attacking us directly, but that is not M.A.D in and of itself. That's part of M.A.D, or Mutually Assured Destruction, which isfear of retaliation on both sides and an assurance that both sides would be destroyed in the event of a conflict. That's not the case here, since Iran cannot destroy us there is no mutual assurance, and thus its not truly a M.A.D scenario.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, and they certainly want to hang onto their own power as much as any other powerful person. What I'm talking about isn't M.A.D though, since Iran lacks the power to truly destroy us any attack by them, even a nuclear one, would be severely damaging but would ultimately not destroy us.

It's not Iran, it's Islam.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

It's not Iran, it's Islam.

Exactly.

He makes the amateurish mistake of thinking they see themselves as representing a nation-state instead of the Ummah.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, all but said on Sunday that negotiations over the country’s illicit nuclear program are over and that the Islamic Republic’s ideals include destroying America.

“Those (Iranians) who want to promote negotiation and surrender to the oppressors and blame the Islamic Republic as a warmonger in reality commit treason,” Khamenei told a meeting of members of parliament, according to the regime’s Fars News Agency.

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Khamenei emphasized that without a combative mindset, the regime cannot reach its higher Islamic role against the “oppressors’ front.” “The reason for continuation of this battle is not the warmongering of the Islamic Republic. Logic and reason command that for Iran, in order to pass through a region full of pirates, needs to arm itself and must have the capability to defend itself,” he said.

“Today’s world is full of thieves and plunderers of human honor, dignity and morality who are equipped with knowledge, wealth and power, and under the pretence of humanity easily commit crimes and betray human ideals and start wars in different parts of the world.”

In response to a question by a parliamentarian on how long this battle will continue, Khamenei said,“Battle and jihad are endless because evil and its front continue to exist. … This battle will only end when the society can get rid of the oppressors’ front with America at the head of it, which has expanded its claws on human mind, body and thought. … This requires a difficult and lengthy struggle and need for great strides.”

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So now Iran's Leader.....classifies us in with the Israelis. The usual excuse of ALL will be Paradise as long as we get rid of the US and Israel. So be it.....let them bring it on. They might want to start sending out and SOS for the Klingons to come and help out.


Doesn't he just make ya want to walk up and put your foot off into his ass. Right when he gets done. I know one reaction he would have.

Just a few more years and those old bastards will be dead.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

Just a few more years and those old bastards will be dead.

With many young and equally fanatical bastards to take their place. And they are everywhere.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

When did they say they were going to nuke Israel?

So far there is no actual evidence has been presented that Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Only screaming. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/w...see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html?_r=0)

"January 31, 2012 - In Senate testimony James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, says there's no evidence Iran is building a nuclear bomb. CIA director David Petraeus agrees." (Iran's Nuclear Capabilities Fast Facts - CNN.com)

"he first part of the agency’s November 8 report declares—once again—that Iran is not transferring uranium for use in a military project." (On Iran, an Unsmoking Nongun)

January of 2012. My God, that's two and a half years ago. That's an eternity in weapons development.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

The Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, and they certainly want to hang onto their own power as much as any other powerful person. What I'm talking about isn't M.A.D though, since Iran lacks the power to truly destroy us any attack by them, even a nuclear one, would be severely damaging but would ultimately not destroy us.

the Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, but they are the only one that matters.
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

It depends on who is President. Can you see Obama responding in any serious way?

who has attacked us that has not received a response since Obama has been President?
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

the Mullahs aren't the only power in Iran, but they are the only one that matters.

No they aren't the only power that matters, there's a reason there was a noted shift in Iran's willingness to come to the table about its nukes after Rouhami was elected, he's not as bonkers as Ahmadinejad
 
re: Iran’s Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

With many young and equally fanatical bastards to take their place. And they are everywhere.

Mainstream iranians aren't that zealous. They want a moderate islamic state engaged with the west. They want to move forward not back. Iran also has really odd demographics. Old people and young people and nobody in the middle.

What exactly are y'all so afraid of? Iran is small and won't ever have more than a couple nukes, the use of would result in their total destruction. Don't see that happening.

Much more likely they just don't want to be trampled like we tend to trample the non-nuclear. If you were iran you'd want a nuke too.
 
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