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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Hitler killed the wrong people.

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I genuinely want to know how many of these middle eastern countries would view us if we had not interfered with them in any way shape or form, past or present. I strongly suspect that many of these countries have, at the least, reason to dislike the US government.

    Now that we have pissed off a segment of the planet with our manipulation of their governments, resources, and people, the government has the gall to paint them as a people of mindless violence and hatred. I have a feeling that if the Iranian government had done to us what our government has done to them (and others in the area) we would be pretty angry too.

    Maybe it is time we stop our global manipulation take a big step back and leave people alone. Maybe then we wouldn't need to continue the cycle of global meddling in the name of national security or interests. I believe given enough time that US resentment would greatly diminish and these threats would become few. I mean when do you hear about a middle eastern country threatening the country of Comoros? I know I never have but then again to my best knowledge Comoros has never interfered in the middle east, coincidence? I think not...

    Mornin' Baralis. If one removes the USA from out of the picture.....what is the reality on the Ground with all the ME? If we are not in the picture.....what does their sectarian divide look like then?

    What changes for all others.....if we are out of the picture?

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'd be proud to lead a squad or platoon on the battlefield. We'll score some kills; the enemy will hear about us and come to fear us, especially after we burn their dead bodies. Being burned is the most terrifying posibility there is to a Muslim. Seriously, they go into a child like panic at the suggestion of it.
    Remember what happened at Abu Ghraib? No one was injured, maimed or killed but it made headlines all over the world. People simply expect more from Americans, which hamstrings them in time of trouble, but expect only the worst from Muslims. It's a PC war that the democracies cannot win unless they change their attitudes sharply.
    A story for which Napier is often noted involved Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati by British authorities. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband. As first recounted by his brother William, he replied:

    "Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's a PC war that the democracies cannot win unless they change their attitudes sharply.
    What sort of attitude would you recommend about enemies sworn to kill you? Why do we need to win a PC war? Would it be better for America to be feared rather than loved?

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, basically, you think maybe everything would be fine if the world was an imaginary place wherein impossible things could be.

    Do you consider this a mature contemplation?



    Any knee jerk response that assumes we create the mindsets of other people are childish and ignorant by very nature. It assumes that those living in cultures that have developed their own civilzational values somehow really haven't, and simply operate as a reaction to what we do.

    THe jingiost thinks we are always right. The inverse jingoists seen here think we are always wrong. People who are actually capable of analysis realize that nothing in the world is so incredibly simple minded as that. The Mullahs represent an ideology. The ideology drives their actions, and considering the fact that this ideology is predicated upon an entirely different set of precepts as our own, to assume they operate like we do is utterly foolish.
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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Any knee jerk response that assumes we create the mindsets of other people are childish and ignorant by very nature.
    So true.

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What sort of attitude would you recommend about enemies sworn to kill you? Why do we need to win a PC war? Would it be better for America to be feared rather than loved?
    I would recommend killing them first with respect for neither their religion or culture. I would prefer America be respected by their friends and feared by any enemies of human rights and freedoms.

    Democracy and an understanding of human rights and freedoms did not come easily over the history of mankind and they must be protected at all times. We have come to take them for granted, and that is truly dangerous.

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What changes for all others.....if we are out of the picture?
    Nothing changes and that's the point. Whether we are there or not, nothing changes except for the fact that we put OUR people in harms way that doesn't accomplish anything.

    Tell me, did Disposing of Saddam stop all violence there? Nope, people still die there due to violence everyday. Same in Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc.

    The reality is, we are not nation builders....well at least good ones.

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nothing changes and that's the point. Whether we are there or not, nothing changes except for the fact that we put OUR people in harms way that doesn't accomplish anything.

    Tell me, did Disposing of Saddam stop all violence there? Nope, people still die there due to violence everyday. Same in Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc.

    The reality is, we are not nation builders....well at least good ones.
    The war should have stopped after Shock and Awe and the capture and trial of Saddam. Then repeat as necessary until they get it right. The trick is always, as Barney Fife once said to "Nip it, Andy! Nip it in the bud"! That would have applied to Iran as well.

    The US has a stockpile of some excellent weapons for a reason, and they should be used.

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    Re: Iranís Supreme Leader: Jihad Will Continue Until America is No More..... [W:118]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The war should have stopped after Shock and Awe and the capture and trial of Saddam. Then repeat as necessary until they get it right. The trick is always, as Barney Fife once said to "Nip it, Andy! Nip it in the bud"! That would have applied to Iran as well.

    The US has a stockpile of some excellent weapons for a reason, and they should be used.
    AFter we toppled Saddam that was when Al-Qaeda moved in and fast. So your "shock and awe" solution was nothing more than creating a vacuum for even worse people to come in. Glad you weren't in military planning.

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