Page 18 of 19 FirstFirst ... 816171819 LastLast
Results 171 to 180 of 186

Thread: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

  1. #171
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I am surprised conservatives don't support this. I mean if parents won't teach kids responsibility it has to fall to someone. I say give that teacher a raise!
    Why? There is little to no connection to real life here. Even at work, most of the time you are going to be able to take breaks, even if it means getting someone to cover for you. Most adults, especially in the US, do not have to pay anything or even earn bathroom breaks.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  2. #172
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I see that. I addressed this numerous times. The mixing of other immediate rewards put a student in a conflict of interest.

    I also said, numerous times, that when a student claims it is an imminent release, the teacher needs to allow the student to go to the restroom. As such, those investigating the case looked at whether or not the emergency trigger remained. It did.
    I think the problem then might be that the students knew they had to go, but did not consider it an emergency at that particular point, but when told they couldn't go after they asked, later, when it became an emergency, then they didn't have enough time. People are overestimating a child's ability to make judgements here, even when it comes to their own bodies and estimating the time they have before they can't hold it in anymore. Even at 8 and 9 years old, children can still find it hard to hold it in the same amount of time adults can and are not good judges of situations, especially if they were just told no they could not use the restroom. (The teacher could easily have had the policy of allowing for emergencies, but not actually mentioned it in these specific circumstances. We have absolutely no clue as to what the conversations were between the teachers and students when these "accidents" occurred or before.)
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  3. #173
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,336

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And we obviously differ on the capability of a child to know when he/she is at risk of a potential medical emergency.
    I'm not sure I follow you on the medical emergency statement. Having to urinate is not a medical emergency, and probably never will be. Nature takes care of that problem by taking over and making you pee your pants.

    Teachers plan was ill conceived when she included bathroom breaks for third graders in the overall plan, but I get the lesson, that of a finite amount of earned money having to go for a finite group of needs and desires.

    Go ahead, beat me up.

  4. #174
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'm not sure I follow you on the medical emergency statement. Having to urinate is not a medical emergency, and probably never will be. Nature takes care of that problem by taking over and making you pee your pants.

    Teachers plan was ill conceived when she included bathroom breaks for third graders in the overall plan, but I get the lesson, that of a finite amount of earned money having to go for a finite group of needs and desires.

    Go ahead, beat me up.
    Actually, this depends on how well you can hold it in. But even holding it in too long or too often can cause medical issues. People have died because they drank too much water or other liquid and held it in too long. There are some health risks from holding it in.

    Holding Your Pee: Health Risks From Ignoring Nature's Call

    Now, most children can't hold it in long because they don't have the control over their bladders that most adults have. But it can still hurt their health to hold in their pee too long, even if their bladder will eventually release it by "accident".
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  5. #175
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, this depends on how well you can hold it in. But even holding it in too long or too often can cause medical issues. People have died because they drank too much water or other liquid and held it in too long. There are some health risks from holding it in.

    Holding Your Pee: Health Risks From Ignoring Nature's Call

    Now, most children can't hold it in long because they don't have the control over their bladders that most adults have. But it can still hurt their health to hold in their pee too long, even if their bladder will eventually release it by "accident".
    "health risk" <> "medical emergency"
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  6. #176
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "health risk" <> "medical emergency"
    I agree, but I was commenting on "it probably never could be". It could in fact be a medical emergency, even if the person doesn't know it. And it can lead to a medical emergency.

    But if there is a policy in place that severely limits the amount of bathroom breaks a child can take (and we don't really know how often they are given the opportunity to take a break throughout the day at this school to begin with), then it can cause issues. Children are not adults. They don't think like adults, or even teenagers. These are 5-10 year olds. They don't necessarily understand what a bathroom emergency entails, despite what many adults may consider it to be. If it is at the point where they are going to have an accident, they probably aren't going to make it to the bathroom. But before that point, some students may not consider it to be an emergency exactly because children don't necessarily understand that in between point.

    Can anyone describe to me exactly the point where having to pee becomes an "emergency" but where any child can still get to the restroom before they have an accident? What exactly does that feel like in descriptive terms?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  7. #177
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I agree, but I was commenting on "it probably never could be". It could in fact be a medical emergency, even if the person doesn't know it. And it can lead to a medical emergency.
    What medical emergency? All I saw was that it could lead to a UTI which are not medical emergencies

    But if there is a policy in place that severely limits the amount of bathroom breaks a child can take (and we don't really know how often they are given the opportunity to take a break throughout the day at this school to begin with), then it can cause issues. Children are not adults. They don't think like adults, or even teenagers. These are 5-10 year olds. They don't necessarily understand what a bathroom emergency entails, despite what many adults may consider it to be. If it is at the point where they are going to have an accident, they probably aren't going to make it to the bathroom. But before that point, some students may not consider it to be an emergency exactly because children don't necessarily understand that in between point.

    Can anyone describe to me exactly the point where having to pee becomes an "emergency" but where any child can still get to the restroom before they have an accident? What exactly does that feel like in descriptive terms?
    And yes, there are issues with having a policy that limits bathroom breaks. There are also issues with having no policy to limit bathroom breaks. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  8. #178
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What medical emergency? All I saw was that it could lead to a UTI which are not medical emergencies

    And yes, there are issues with having a policy that limits bathroom breaks. There are also issues with having no policy to limit bathroom breaks. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't
    The fact that you can die if you drink too much water and do not use the restroom often enough isn't a medical emergency? I'm not saying that either of these was a medical emergency or that most children are having a medical emergency when it comes to holding it in. I am saying that holding it in too long/too often can lead to medical emergencies. UTIs and kidney infections and bladder infections are serious issues, especially for children.

    This policy is not the way to do it. I gave a suggestion for how to do it. It does not require making children believe that they need to pay for bathroom privileges. That is stupid. And it does not relate to the real world at all. Even the military gives breaks once an hour for using the restroom. It does not appear that these students were well informed about the policy and how exactly it works, especially when it comes to emergency situations. I'm willing to bet that they were expected to use their "money" even in an emergency unless they had no money to use for an emergency situation.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  9. #179
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The fact that you can die if you drink too much water and do not use the restroom often enough isn't a medical emergency? I'm not saying that either of these was a medical emergency or that most children are having a medical emergency when it comes to holding it in. I am saying that holding it in too long/too often can lead to medical emergencies. UTIs and kidney infections and bladder infections are serious issues, especially for children.
    UTI's can be serious, but the possibility of developing one is not a medical emergency


    This policy is not the way to do it. I gave a suggestion for how to do it. It does not require making children believe that they need to pay for bathroom privileges. That is stupid. And it does not relate to the real world at all. Even the military gives breaks once an hour for using the restroom. It does not appear that these students were well informed about the policy and how exactly it works, especially when it comes to emergency situations. I'm willing to bet that they were expected to use their "money" even in an emergency unless they had no money to use for an emergency situation.
    There have been reasonable criticisms about the policy, however there is nothing wrong with having a policy that limits bathroom breaks, particularly in a class where the students have been taking breaks excessively which is what was happening in this class.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  10. #180
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-17 @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    15,248

    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    I remember once in the 6th grade when I felt sick to my stomach and raised my hand and asked the teacher if I could go to the restroom. She said no, so I vomited all over the floor. She cleaned it up. I never had any problem getting permission again.
    "Groups with guitars are on the way out, Mr. Epstein"

    Dick Rowe, A & R man
    Decca Records
    London, 1962

Page 18 of 19 FirstFirst ... 816171819 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •