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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you not see that it was an emergency because the 2 girls wet their pants?

    How much more of an emergency could it have been?
    apparently you have not yet recognized that NO student was denied the opportunity to go to the bathroom
    neither child made such a request. how was the teacher to then know either student needed a bathroom break?
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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    apparently you have not yet recognized that NO student was denied the opportunity to go to the bathroom
    neither child made such a request. how was the teacher to then know either student needed a bathroom break?
    So the OP is alie that the child had to use fake money to buy permission to use the bathroom?

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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So the OP is alie that the child had to use fake money to buy permission to use the bathroom?
    the child had the fake money to 'buy' a bathroom experience
    she wanted to use it instead to buy popcorn

    but more significantly: the student NEVER told the teacher she needed to use the bathroom
    now, explain why the teacher is held at fault by the likes of you when the student never notified the teacher she needed to access the bathroom
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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the child had the fake money to 'buy' a bathroom experience
    she wanted to use it instead to buy popcorn

    but more significantly: the student NEVER told the teacher she needed to use the bathroom
    now, explain why the teacher is held at fault by the likes of you when the student never notified the teacher she needed to access the bathroom
    If the student didn't tell the teacher she needed to use the bathroom, how did she make the choice.

    By the way, why would it matter if she told the teacher or not. If it is understood in her class that she is not allowed to use the bathroom, needed or not, unless she buys the privledge, she wouldn't ask.

    I know that from experience from my 2nd grade class.

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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If the student didn't tell the teacher she needed to use the bathroom, how did she make the choice.

    By the way, why would it matter if she told the teacher or not. If it is understood in her class that she is not allowed to use the bathroom, needed or not, unless she buys the privledge, she wouldn't ask.

    I know that from experience from my 2nd grade class.

    the student NEVER notified the teacher of her need to use the bathroom
    had the student done so and been denied, your argument would have basis
    but since no such notification of need was made by the student to the teacher, all we are left with is a dumb student rather than a mean teacher
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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    It seems like there would be a better use of parenting resources than going after the teacher in this situation. Perhaps a more collaborative approach to work with the teacher would yield better results?

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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you not see that it was an emergency because the 2 girls wet their pants?

    How much more of an emergency could it have been?
    I see that. I addressed this numerous times. The mixing of other immediate rewards put a student in a conflict of interest.

    I also said, numerous times, that when a student claims it is an imminent release, the teacher needs to allow the student to go to the restroom. As such, those investigating the case looked at whether or not the emergency trigger remained. It did.
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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Supposedly, the teacher would've let the child go, if it were an emergency. But the little girl only had $50 left of class money and wanted to buy some popcorn with it later, so she peed herself. Now a little kid choosing a treat over the bathroom is not a surprise but a teacher using that as a ransom on a student is SO stupid.
    I read it as the kid mistakenly believed she couldn't go.

    It's a dumb policy, one that should be rethought, but I don't think we need to make more of it then is there.

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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    I am surprised conservatives don't support this. I mean if parents won't teach kids responsibility it has to fall to someone. I say give that teacher a raise!

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    Re: UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    What do you suggest to keep control of 20 some kids from disrupting the class excessively? My recommendation is pretty old school, use the bathroom pass as has been used since there were schools. If you have a better idea share it.
    It isn't that hard. Teachers have been doing it for quite some time. You allow a chance to go to the bathroom (if the child requests it) once before lunch and once after. Very few students are going to need to go more than that throughout the day (unless there is a known medical issue, either temporary or chronic). Then the teacher can regulate more after that. He/she doesn't even have to make this policy absolutely known to the children. Simply put out that if the students need to go during the lessons, then they should request it (my son's first teacher had a hand signal for it that she taught the kinders their first week in school, but they also had a little restroom in the classroom), and the teacher will tell them when they can depending on the urgency of the situation and the class discussions. Then you use a behavior system if their trips are getting out of hand to denote that. (In two different schools, my son has had a basic behavior system used, both basically the same. If you're good throughout the day, then you are on a certain number/color to represent that, if you do stuff above and beyond, you go up and get extra awards for it, if you have to be disciplined, told to be quiet during class or settle down or start fighting, something like this, then you drop down to a different color/number. Taking a suspicious number of bathroom breaks can be a reason to drop down, especially if there is someone to actually monitor the halls and/or bathrooms to check on students.) And if the students know that taking too many bathroom breaks without an actual emergency bathroom situation being involved will cause them to lose behavior "points", then they are less likely to do it. Plus, the teachers are still free to say no to them if they have gone recently.

    It isn't like all of the students would be disruptive about this in most classrooms (unless a teacher was absolutely so unlucky or unliked that she/he ended up with every single disruptive student in that grade in their classroom). Most teachers only have, at most a few potentially disruptive students at all.
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