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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I had no idea I believed those things. Thanks for setting me straight. Is there anything else I believe that I didn't know about?
    Y'know, I really don't like libertarianism. I think it's one of the most short-sighted political philosophies ever invented by man, and is certainly not fact-based.

    That said, I really like your reply - that was...rather devastating. Remind me not to tick you off....
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    This is just another bill that does the exact opposite of what the name of it implies.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm just a Canadian and could be wrong, but I don't believe there's a liberal party in the US Congress, but many call themselves liberals and there isn't a conservative party in the US Congress, yet many call themselves conservatives. The OP speaks to small "l" libertarians, therefore speaking to ideology not political party affiliation - therefore, the only lie appears to be your attempt to change the subject.
    You're not wrong. In fact you're spot on.

    There is no "Liberal Party", but Democrats label themselves as "liberal" all the time. Good luck getting the poster to acknowledge that pesky fact.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    This is just another bill that does the exact opposite of what the name of it implies.
    Kind of like the Affordable Care Act.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Well I would imagine a multi party system enabling the US to have a wonderful society of Greece. We could enjoy life just as they do - other than the weather its miserable and an adjunct failure. One of the libertarian / left issues that I continually see promoted is the dislike for corporate America. That entity which produces the jobs/careers for most Americans, products for nearly all Americans, and a pretty damn good way of life for those willing to enjoy it. But hey lets toss that to the side and redistribute poverty for all. I'm sorry while you sound quite moderate in your libertarian views I encounter radical/extreme libertarians just as often. These idiots would prefer we all raise our own food, kill our own animals for meat, and barter silver bullion and toilet paper. I prefer to live in a governed society not a mad max one.


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think you have a lot of misconceptions about what libertarians actually believe. I wish you would take the time to read the actual libertarian platform. We aren't anarchists and we're not trying to dismantle the entire government. The government has a lot of very important roles to fill in our society.

    However, back to the 2 party system. You being more in the middle, sharing issues with both sides, would benefit even more than the average American by having extra parties. Just as you stated, the greens, communists, socialists, constitutionalists, etc. don't have any more than the pitiful few percent the libertarian party has, so you fall under the same boat. Regardless of whether you like the libertarian party or not, you should at least be for dismantling our 2 party system and reforming it so that smaller parties have an actual chance at election.

    I can't tell you how many people I know who match very close to the libertarian party on almost every issue, but still vote republican simply because they want the lesser of two evils and because they don't believe a third party has a chance in our system, which they're right, they don't.

    We have kind of a chicken and the egg situation. You need funding to get votes, and you need votes to get funding. Corporations love the status quo, so they pump billions and billions into democratic and republican candidates. If businesses would massively benefit from libertarian policies, like many people accuse the libertarians of being corporate cronies, then the libertarians would have massive donations from said corporations. As it turns out, we don't get those donations because in reality our policies would help the people instead of just the mega rich like our system does now.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Y'know, I really don't like libertarianism. I think it's one of the most short-sighted political philosophies ever invented by man, and is certainly not fact-based.

    That said, I really like your reply - that was...rather devastating. Remind me not to tick you off....
    I think people pick and choose political concepts to like or dislike without looking at the entire ball of wax. A lot of things in "libertarianism" fail to impress me as well. But, for me, there is more to like than there is with the traditional political party platforms. I want smaller, cheaper, less intrusive, more competent and less corrupt government. Neither democrats nor republicans have any real interest in that. They only have an interest in having power at the expense of the other side. The rest is just details.

    I wasn't ticked off at the poster. I just think painting with a broad brush is poor debate. Thanks for you comments.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Well I would imagine a multi party system enabling the US to have a wonderful society of Greece. We could enjoy life just as they do - other than the weather its miserable and an adjunct failure. One of the libertarian / left issues that I continually see promoted is the dislike for corporate America. That entity which produces the jobs/careers for most Americans, products for nearly all Americans, and a pretty damn good way of life for those willing to enjoy it. But hey lets toss that to the side and redistribute poverty for all. I'm sorry while you sound quite moderate in your libertarian views I encounter radical/extreme libertarians just as often. These idiots would prefer we all raise our own food, kill our own animals for meat, and barter silver bullion and toilet paper. I prefer to live in a governed society not a mad max one.
    There is unfortunately no test performed to determine their suitability before someone puts on the libertarian lean. Don't listen to the imposters, listen to the party platform and the libertarians as a whole. Anarchists and bible-thumping homo haters have tried to piggy back on the freedom train but they don't seem to understand it.

    Second, all you did was pick out an awful country with a parliament then claim the US would turn into that. Do you really believe Greece's problems stem from having a parliament and not from massive bureaucratic corruption and cooking of financial books? Look around, most of the world is under a parliamentary system that allows more than 2 parties to surface.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Most of the world is not as well off as the US.

    Where I differ from moderate and reasoned libertarians is that we can remedy problems with government even if it means government taking steps to stay out of they way. I've long said to environmentalist if you want less fossil fuel then empower the other fuel options with no taxes for a decent period of time. The govt largely stood out of the way of the Internet and look at it 20 years later. Our government can be used as a tool to empower, create and do good. Just because it fails at that some times doesn't mean we toss it to the curb like an Article of Confederation.


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There is unfortunately no test performed to determine their suitability before someone puts on the libertarian lean. Don't listen to the imposters, listen to the party platform and the libertarians as a whole. Anarchists and bible-thumping homo haters have tried to piggy back on the freedom train but they don't seem to understand it.

    Second, all you did was pick out an awful country with a parliament then claim the US would turn into that. Do you really believe Greece's problems stem from having a parliament and not from massive bureaucratic corruption and cooking of financial books? Look around, most of the world is under a parliamentary system that allows more than 2 parties to surface.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    No, I think you've pretty well nailed it. Here's a question that any true Libertarian ought to be able to answer>

    What is the difference between Rand Paul's view of the U.S. role in the world and Vladamir Putin's?

    Answer - it's a trick question! There is no difference. Neither Rand nor Vlad believe the U.S. has any role to play in world affairs! Most of Paul's foreign policy statements could have been written in the Kremlin. Hell, they probably were.

    Again, when is your boy Paul going to quit pretending he's a Republican and run for President as a Libertarian?
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, I think you've pretty well nailed it. Here's a question that any true Libertarian ought to be able to answer>

    What is the difference between Rand Paul's view of the U.S. role in the world and Vladamir Putin's?

    Answer - it's a trick question! There is no difference. Neither Rand nor Vlad believe the U.S. has any role to play in world affairs! Most of Paul's foreign policy statements could have been written in the Kremlin. Hell, they probably were.

    Again, when is your boy Paul going to quit pretending he's a Republican and run for President as a Libertarian?
    So you're saying Rand Paul isn't the only person on the planet that doesn't think we should be imperialistic cowboys invading country after country and bankrupting us in the process?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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