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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    No they get elected as Republicans. They may well have libertarian leanings but if the were to run a Libertarians on the ballot they lose....remember not ONE member of 435 puts the L behind his or her name....for a reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    There is nothing that says libertarians must reside within the Libertarian party. Their libertarianism basically boils down to strict Constitutionalism/far right conservatism as well. These people are wholly up front about their views and they get elected.


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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    No they get elected as Republicans. They may well have libertarian leanings but if the were to run a Libertarians on the ballot they lose....remember not ONE member of 435 puts the L behind his or her name....for a reason.
    The reason for that isn't because of their ideologies but rather because we live in a closed, idiotic 2 party system. Almost everyone is upset with their government and the horrible two parties we have that don't represent the people. We need a change so that parties can rise and fall and not just stay propped up forever no matter how horrible they are.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    The 47% who enjoy the hands outs don't hate the government, the 52% that are able to be successful and thrive don't hate the government, the 1% of the libertarians might hate the government - I don't like what the government does in many cases but I love that we live in a society like the USA and wouldn't want to return to the stonages of liberatarianism. Neither, I suspect, do the other nearly 99% that continually reject any candidate with an "L" behind their name.

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    The reason for that isn't because of their ideologies but rather because we live in a closed, idiotic 2 party system. Almost everyone is upset with their government and the horrible two parties we have that don't represent the people. We need a change so that parties can rise and fall and not just stay propped up forever no matter how horrible they are.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    The 47% who enjoy the hands outs don't hate the government, the 52% that are able to be successful and thrive don't hate the government, the 1% of the libertarians might hate the government - I don't like what the government does in many cases but I love that we live in a society like the USA and wouldn't want to return to the stonages of liberatarianism. Neither, I suspect, do the other nearly 99% that continually reject any candidate with an "L" behind their name.
    So you are exceptionally content with the Republicans and Democrats in our system and see no room for growth whatsoever? And I didn't say hate, you did. I said is upset with, which is true. Most Americans are upset with the way the government is being planned, but there is absolutely no chance that any party, be it Greens, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Socialists, etc. etc. ever have a chance because the system is designed to make sure they don't.

    Funny that you'll write "other" under your lean, but claim to be perfectly and completely content with one of the two existing parties. Whatever "other" belief you might hold, unless it falls under the democrat or republican platform, you will not be represented.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The reason for that isn't because of their ideologies but rather because we live in a closed, idiotic 2 party system. Almost everyone is upset with their government and the horrible two parties we have that don't represent the people. We need a change so that parties can rise and fall and not just stay propped up forever no matter how horrible they are.
    And that change must begin with so called libertarians backing the party that is the Libertarian Party and accept the short term consequences for long term goals.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act | Rare

    I want the NAMES of who changed this bill in committee!
    Since Libertarians, not believing in any government - especially the Federal Government - don't like any 'Acts', it's hardly surprising they don't like this one.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you are exceptionally content with the Republicans and Democrats in our system and see no room for growth whatsoever? And I didn't say hate, you did. I said is upset with, which is true. Most Americans are upset with the way the government is being planned, but there is absolutely no chance that any party, be it Greens, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Socialists, etc. etc. ever have a chance because the system is designed to make sure they don't.

    Funny that you'll write "other" under your lean, but claim to be perfectly and completely content with one of the two existing parties. Whatever "other" belief you might hold, unless it falls under the democrat or republican platform, you will not be represented.
    Look, Libertarians hate any government. That's why you are Libertarians. If you didn't hate government, you'd be something else.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You're welcome.

    It appears that he's trying to say - if we didn't compromise, the bill wouldn't make it through the Senate or maybe even be Vetoed by the President. My oldest son said, that would be fine. At least then the country would know where the Senate and the President stand on freedom, liberty, and the Constitution (specifically the 4th Amendment). I think my son is correct in that. They should have let Harry Reid and Obama explain to the nation why their privacy isn't important anymore and why the Constitution is "just a piece of paper."
    This tactic of digging in our heels and refusing to compromise on anything isn't serving us very well. We may think that it shows where the opposition stands but in practice nobody remembers these votes. Who knows or care that the Republicans, for example, voted 50 some odd times to repeal Obamacare? It hasn't done the Republicans a damn bit of good. It doesn't do a lot of good to stand on your principles if that means you make no progress toward anything you care about.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The reason for that isn't because of their ideologies but rather because we live in a closed, idiotic 2 party system. Almost everyone is upset with their government and the horrible two parties we have that don't represent the people. We need a change so that parties can rise and fall and not just stay propped up forever no matter how horrible they are.
    Well, you could have a multi-party system like they have in the UK, but what that means in practice is that the parties have to form coalitions to rule, many times coalitions with parties that differ in their policy ideas, so it boils down to basically the same thing as we have in a two party system, where, for example, social conservatives have to join fiscal conservatives or environmentalists have to join welfare stateists and race based groups to win elections.

    And if libertarians are too pure to join a coalition then that just means that they are permanently members of the loyal opposition. Sometimes I think libertarians prefer it that way since they get to snark and snipe from outside the tent all the time.

    Regardless of the system parties that refuse to join coalitions and compromise get exactly nowhere in terms of getting real policies enacted.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Look, Libertarians hate any government. That's why you are Libertarians. If you didn't hate government, you'd be something else.
    Incorrect. I would explain what libertarians actually believe (having a strong justice system and defense, while maximizing personal liberty for the individual), but you don't actually care. Any chance to get to lob insults at libertarians without actually having to provide any input is your favorite type of situation isn't it?

    Was your education so poor that you can't identify the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian? If you're too lazy to even glance at the libertarian party platform or actually ask a libertarian what he believes, I can't really help you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Well, you could have a multi-party system like they have in the UK, but what that means in practice is that the parties have to form coalitions to rule, many times coalitions with parties that differ in their policy ideas, so it boils down to basically the same thing as we have in a two party system, where, for example, social conservatives have to join fiscal conservatives or environmentalists have to join welfare stateists and race based groups to win elections.

    And if libertarians are too pure to join a coalition then that just means that they are permanently members of the loyal opposition. Sometimes I think libertarians prefer it that way since they get to snark and snipe from outside the tent all the time.

    Regardless of the system parties that refuse to join coalitions and compromise get exactly nowhere in terms of getting real policies enacted.
    Perhaps, but you can at least identify to what party the individual politicians belong instead of fitting everyone on the left and everyone on the right into two super-parties.

    Parties in Europe rise and fall all the time. Here in the US we've decided there can only be two and they shall be immortal until the end of time. Hardly a healthy environment for a democracy.
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