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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Spying only requires observation. It doesn't matter if you do anything with the data you've collected; its still spying.
    And it's not observed, that's the point. It's stored.

    If no one ever looks at it, if it's not put into a searchable database, if it can't be call-chained, then what is it? If that can only be done with a court order...what is it? Well, it's a storage database because the telecom companies weren't keeping those. If they keep it...cool. No issue.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And it's not observed, that's the point. It's stored. If no one ever looks at it, if it's not put into a searchable database, if it can't be call-chained, then what is it? If that can only be done with a court order...what is it? Well, it's a storage database because the telecom companies weren't keeping those. If they keep it...cool. No issue.
    it doesn't matter if a person ever looks at it. Programing a machine to make and store observations on your behalf is still spying.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    it doesn't matter if a person ever looks at it. Programing a machine to make and store observations on your behalf is still spying.
    It's not "storing observations".

    Anyway, professionals, policy makers, and federal judges disagree with you. But if you want a constitutional amendment to neuter national defense, go for it.
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Anyway, professionals, policy makers, and federal judges disagree with you. But if you want a constitutional amendment to neuter national defense, go for it.
    You are welcome to cite a case in which this activity is defined as anything other than spying. Whether or not it is legal is a separate question.

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You are welcome to cite a case in which this activity is defined as anything other than spying. Whether or not it is legal is a separate question.
    Thank you!
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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Which would have nothing to do with my statement either way. Don't mind me, I just think it's funny when random guys on the internet arbitrarily decide that people working with intelligence agencies are suddenly enemies of the United States. As if they have any idea.
    Now you gonna tell us about the "big picture" and grey areas and other bullcrap. The CIA is an enemy of the USA, at least from the point of view of the average citizen and that's the group you are referring to. The CIA works for Corporate America overseas and now even at home. The big picture says get rid of 144 overseas military bases. Ask the citizens to put a squeeze on energy use until the OILY Nations decide to operate within real world economic parameters and any other resource that is important and operate "for the people." Do the quoted words sound familiar>

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    Re: House libertarians blast USA Freedom Act

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Now you gonna tell us about the "big picture" and grey areas and other bullcrap. The CIA is an enemy of the USA, at least from the point of view of the average citizen and that's the group you are referring to. The CIA works for Corporate America overseas and now even at home. The big picture says get rid of 144 overseas military bases. Ask the citizens to put a squeeze on energy use until the OILY Nations decide to operate within real world economic parameters and any other resource that is important and operate "for the people." Do the quoted words sound familiar>
    Hahahaha
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