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Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

I'm not asserting any such thing. That's a ridiculous idea, I've no idea where you got it.

I'm asserting that logic, reason and knowledge about the universe is all evidence of the existence of life outside earth.

Planets like ours... water everywhere...

These are indirect evidence, indicators, that life can exist outside the earth. The number of opportunities makes that existence almost certain.

You cannot ignore indirect evidence, logic and reason and claim there is "no evidence of any sort that supports such a notion".
What you site as "indirect evidence " is really an indicator of possibility...not hard evidence of life itself.
 
You cannot ignore indirect evidence, logic and reason and claim there is "no evidence of any sort that supports such a notion".
The notion is that there is life out there...not that it is possible.
I do not refute the possibility of extraterrestrial life. I refute the certainty.
 
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What you site as "indirect evidence " is really an indicator of possibility...not hard evidence of life itself.

It is a "sort of" evidence that "supports the notion".
 
The notion is that there is life out there...not that it is possible.

And that notion is supported by everything we know about the universe, from the lack of anything unique to the existence of similar planets, to water, to the number of opportunities.

All of that is "some sort" of evidence that "supports the notion".
 
And that notion is supported by everything we know about the universe, from the lack of anything unique to the existence of similar planets, to water, to the number of opportunities.

All of that is "some sort" of evidence that "supports the notion".
I concede that it supports the notion of a possibility ... however I do not concede that it supports the notion that it is a certainty.
 
I concede that it supports the notion of a possibility ... however I do not concede that it supports the notion that it is a certainty.

A certainty? Of course not. But there is plenty of indirect evidence, and logic and reason, that supports the notion of life outside earth.
 
A certainty? Of course not. But there is plenty of indirect evidence, and logic and reason, that supports the notion of life outside earth.
OK we both agree that extra terrestrial life is not a certainty. Many would disagree with us both on that.
For me it is a mere possibility for you it seems it is more of a probability. Different points of the skepticism scale.
We disagree only by a matter of degree my friend, that is all.
Time for bed .
 
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I think this is all really common sense. Our conception of the universe is only minute to what really exists out there. I think its only a matter of time until we find life out there. We have found a lot of evidence of life, but to my knowledge we havent found "actual life". I do believe that there are other intelligent beings out there. But hey, I think we still should continue funding to these programs. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Given the choice between paying so that children in the poor areas of the world have $ 1 a day instead of starving and researching aliens, what would you choose?
 
Given the choice between paying so that children in the poor areas of the world have $ 1 a day instead of starving and researching aliens, what would you choose?

Researching Aliens.
 
No what i meant was if they do find life out there they will use that as SEE the bible is false. There is a better chance of them faking a find.

We don't have to go out and find aliens on other planets in order to recognize that a bearded sky man isn't granting wishes and smiting his enemies. I think you're suffering from the typical christian egocentrism where you think the universe, the earth, and all of our actions revolve around christianity.

Hint: You're not that important or well-read that we need to find aliens to win arguments against you.
 
With all that we know of microbial life extremophiles etc etc I would find it extremely hard to belief that there isn't at the very least microbial life out there. If they can carry a microbe out into space with it being exposed directly to space, and it living through several days of that there has got to be other life out there in better conditions than space itself. The only question in my mind is if there is other intelligent life out there.

This planet has had millions of different kinds of life forms living on it for millions of years and in many different types of environments, from extreme cold and low oxygen content to temperate climate and higher oxygen content than what we have now. Even types of life that are alien to what we have now. To think that there isn't other life forms out there is just arrogant imo.

As for the whole bible/god thing...nothing about the bible indicates that we are the ONLY life forms that were ever made. No true scientist would even attempt to claim such. And imo doing so would discredit anyone that claimed such.
 
The universe is at least 13 Billion years old, there are appox.10/22 to 10/24 stars most with planets. Somewhere there must be life, and somewhere it has evolved intelligence.

We must however take into consideration both time and distance...as well as what the two combined infer. The image below contains over ten thousand galaxies in an area about the size of a pencil eraser:

300px-HubbleUltraDeepFieldwithScaleComparison.jpg

Each of these galaxies looked this way millions/billion of years ago and contained billions of stars. Many no longer exist and many new ones would be there today. If there was an advanced civilization in that photo....it is probably long gone and did not even know we existed. If there is one there is one there now it might see an "I Love Lucy" rerun in a couple billion years, but we will be long gone.

It would be an astounding bit of luck for us to exist in the right place and time to meet the neighbors.
 
I am just going to guess that there are at least a few 'born again', flat earth losers on the far right who will argue against this until the day that they are raptured up into Heaven.
 
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]I'd consider the existence of billions of planets like ours to be some kind of evidence that there's a good probability. Throw in water being found all over the place and the chance of life not existing outside the earth becomes insignificant.
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That's your opinion which you are entitled to and I agree with, and which a lot of 'born again', flat earth losers on the right will ignore.

Sorry, but that's just the way that it is.
 
That's your opinion which you are entitled to and I agree with, and which a lot of 'born again', flat earth losers on he right will ignore.

Sorry, but that's just the way that it is.

I don't get why the existence of alien life threatens them. As if it would be the first inaccuracy in the Bible. The whole "the Bible is perfect" crap needs to stop.
 
I don't get why the existence of alien life threatens them. As if it would be the first inaccuracy in the Bible. The whole "the Bible is perfect" crap needs to stop.

But God wrote the book(s), is infallible and omnipotent, and created us in his image.....unless aliens look like us, they cannot exist and must be of Satan.
 
Strong answer.

If we as a species want to survive extinction we have to get off this planet... maybe not in our lifetime, but still sooner than later. We can only achieve this by thinking an studying things that we can't possibly think about when focused entirely on this planet alone. Nothing lives forever, including planets and stars. Searching for life and habitable planets is a mission for the success of our species.
 
If we as a species want to survive extinction we have to get off this planet... maybe not in our lifetime, but still sooner than later. We can only achieve this by thinking an studying things that we can't possibly think about when focused entirely on this planet alone. Nothing lives forever, including planets and stars. Searching for life and habitable planets is a mission for the success of our species.

Gypsies of the Universe we shall be.
 
Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

That's nice. Stop trying to contact them, idiots. We need to alert aliens of our presence about as much as native Americans needed to alert Europeans of the presence of North America.

****, is Hawking the only person who gets it?
 
Gypsies of the Universe we shall be.

That or be snuffed out. It's puts things into perspective when you think about it. We argue on this forum and in life over human rights, and territory, and this and that... but our existence is but a blink in the eye. We can all perish in a puff of smoke and the universe wouldn't even have realized we had ever showed up for the party.
 
OK we both agree that extra terrestrial life is not a certainty. Many would disagree with us both on that.
For me it is a mere possibility for you it seems it is more of a probability. Different points of the skepticism scale.
We disagree only by a matter of degree my friend, that is all.
Time for bed .

I think they've proved that no life exists on Venus, but they're having a difficult time explaining satellite images taken of silver and gold jumpsuits and high heels.

As for Mars, there's two I know of, one is a cheese castle.

How can we possibly be alone in a place as big as it is?
Universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and what makes anyone think there's only one universe?
 
That or be snuffed out. It's puts things into perspective when you think about it.

Deep thought has gone into it here and as the Germans say: Everything has an end except the Sausage, which has two.
 
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