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Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

Obama ignored 3 IG reports and 1 audit that has already been done.
 
Congress is responsible for legislating, funding, monitoring, regulating, oversight and investigating the federal agencies in the executive branch. It was their job to investigate any problems that the VA might have and to help provide a solution or remedy. They've known about the back log at the VA at least since 2003. But they seem to have failed to do their job to even provide oversight for the VA.....until last week. If it weren't for media they probably wouldn't have done anything at all.

"Oversight" is one thing-but this is an executive department, headed by the President. So is the state department. So is the dept of defense. Obama spoke yesterday because of this.

If you think this isn't owned by the Obama administration you are wrong, in fact you might want to pursue other avenues to defend Obama, this argument is readily disproved.

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Congress is responsible for legislating, funding, monitoring, regulating, oversight and investigating the federal agencies in the executive branch. It was their job to investigate any problems that the VA might have and to help provide a solution or remedy. They've known about the back log at the VA at least since 2003. But they seem to have failed to do their job to even provide oversight for the VA.....until last week. If it weren't for media they probably wouldn't have done anything at all.




Congressional oversight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia








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You simply don't know what you're talking about.:peace
 
You simply don't know what you're talking about.:peace
It's almost as if you guys did not believe me back in post #84. But then you must have felt the urge towards extreme leisure with an utter waste of your time.:stooges
 
It's almost as if you guys did not believe me back in post #84. But then you must have felt the urge towards extreme leisure with an utter waste of your time.:stooges

Oh knock it off. I spent nearly 34 years in the federal service and the poster to whom I responded was hopelessly confused on the difference between management and oversight. And I had already taken the time earlier to explain that. Persistent error merits a crisp response.:peace
 
The executive branch isn't the oversight for the VA...congress is.

So how many hearings and investigations did congressional oversight committees have to see if the VA was reducing the waiting list back log?

Remind me again who is the commander in chief. Obama did campaign against Bust that Obama would fix the VA as he knew it was corrupt. Now Obama is asleep, but hey it's not for him to worry about, like all the other scandals he has not a clue of. He is the most know nothing, do nothing president of all time.

You're one of the few loyalist of Obama trying to provide cover for this idiot.
 
Oh knock it off. I spent nearly 34 years in the federal service and the poster to whom I responded was hopelessly confused on the difference between management and oversight. And I had already taken the time earlier to explain that. Persistent error merits a crisp response.:peace
Well then get used to crisply responding to persistent confusion and a commitment to error as a posting style. As well as a *poof* sound that leaves a vapor trail when at last the commitment to persistent error gets bored and interested in a new batch of errors in another thread.:peace
 
For you to ignore one side of a partisan debate exposes the hypocricy and bias in your comment, fmw.

How can you say I ignored you? I even commented on it.
 
I wonder why the reporters even show up for Carney's press sessions. There is no reason to believe anything he says. I was born during the Roosevelt administration so I've heard a lot of press secretaries. This one lies more than the others combined. it is truly insane. The administration has been aware of the VA problem since the beginning. The prior administration warned them about it. They didn't fix it either. Let's shut the down the VA and simply buy private insurance policies for the veterans. It would save us a lot of money and provide better health care for the veterans.

I often wonder that as well. There is nothing to learn at these conferences.
 
Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.
 
Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.

It says he really couldn't care less.... and any statements which are made are to placate the masses.
 
It says he really couldn't care less.... and any statements which are made are to placate the masses.

Well he did tell the Democrats they needed to attack Republicans.....I put up a thread on it in Partisan. I guess he is tired of hearing himself, Harry and Nancy being basically the only ones. While all others are playing defense. :lol:
 
Having spent over three decades in the federal government, I assure you that responsibility and accountability reside exclusively in the executive branch for all federal departments and agencies. Congress has oversight to ensure that responsibility is exercised and accountability is recognized. But Congress has zero responsibility for federal executive management.:peace

Your decades in government is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

Not that facts matter to you, but they might to others. Congress is responsible for the oversight of the VA and it says so right here on the congress committees website and they oughta know since they wrote the law ......


The Committee on Veterans' Affairs of the House of Representatives was authorized by enactment of Public Law 601, 79th Congress, which was entitled "Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946." Section 121(a) of this Act provides: "there shall be elected by the House at the commencement of each Congress the following standing committees": Nineteen Committees are listed and No. 18 quotes: "Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to consist of 27 Members." This Act has since been amended so that there are now 22 Standing Committees in the House of Representatives. The number of Members (Representatives) authorized to serve on each Committee has been changed from time to time. There are currently 29 members of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA.

http://veterans.house.gov/about/history-jurisdiction


In all your years in government how come you didn't know that, Jack?
 
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Your decades in government is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

Not that facts matter to you, but they might to others. Congress is responsible for the oversight of the VA and it says so right here on the congress committees website and they oughta know since they wrote the law ......


The Committee on Veterans' Affairs of the House of Representatives was authorized by enactment of Public Law 601, 79th Congress, which was entitled "Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946." Section 121(a) of this Act provides: "there shall be elected by the House at the commencement of each Congress the following standing committees": Nineteen Committees are listed and No. 18 quotes: "Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to consist of 27 Members." This Act has since been amended so that there are now 22 Standing Committees in the House of Representatives. The number of Members (Representatives) authorized to serve on each Committee has been changed from time to time. There are currently 29 members of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA.

History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs


In all your years in government how come you didn't know that, Jack?


On the contrary, I testified before oversight committees on several occasions. I'm thoroughly familiar with the process. The point is that oversight is not management and full accountability and management responsibility resides in the executive branch. As I posted earlier, your claims in this thread represent a complete misunderstanding of how the government works.:peace
 
Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.

I'm surprised he didn't squeeze in 18 holes along the way.
 
On the contrary, I testified before oversight committees on several occasions. I'm thoroughly familiar with the process. The point is that oversight is not management and full accountability and management responsibility resides in the executive branch. As I posted earlier, your claims in this thread represent a complete misunderstanding of how the government works.:peace


Your anecdotal evidence is still irrelevant. You're the one who is confused, jack....I never said a word about "management"....only "oversight". If you want to continue defending your strawman then go right ahead....but my point stands until you provide a link to some credible evidence that proves otherwise.......


"....The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA....."

History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs
 
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"....Congressional oversight refers to oversight by the United States Congress on the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight refers to the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation.[1] Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. However, oversight, which dates to the earliest days of the Republic, also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff.

Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances........"

Congressional oversight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Why didn't congress investigate the problems with the VA sooner?
 
Your anecdotal evidence is still irrelevant. You're the one who is confused, jack....I never said a word about "management"....only "oversight". If you want to continue defending your strawman then go right ahead....but my point stands until you provide a link to some credible evidence that proves otherwise.......


"....The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA....."

History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Your quote is accurate and makes my point. No one in Congress or on any Congressional staff has any responsibility for what happened at the VA. Not even the WH will claim this was a failure of oversight. Why? Because it wasn't.:peace
 
Your quote is accurate and makes my point. No one in Congress or on any Congressional staff has any responsibility for what happened at the VA. Not even the WH will claim this was a failure of oversight. Why? Because it wasn't.:peace

That doesnt make any sense. Oversight means congress IS responsible for make sure the President is doing his job. Just like its the citizens responsibility to make sure the govt is doing its job. Everyone is to blame.
 
That doesnt make any sense. Oversight means congress IS responsible for make sure the President is doing his job. Just like its the citizens responsibility to make sure the govt is doing its job. Everyone is to blame.

Management responsibility and accountability for executive agencies (like VA) resides exclusively in the executive branch.:peace
 
And the people who authorize it.

If by "authorize" you refer to Congressional power to authorize spending then you have hit on the foundation of the Congressional oversight role. Oversight is not management, however, and executive accountability remains primary.:peace
 
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