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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm going to do something here which I hate because frankly, I think Obama is the most incompentent POTUS that we've had in a long time.

    That said...

    NO POTUS is capable of knowing everything about everything. I'm not going to be a partisan hack on this, I can easily see the administrators of that VA hospital being able to keep this a secret. It happens all the time in any big business, I'm sure that many would agree with that, so why couldn't these administrators? And to top it off it is not unheard of for a President to learn about something from the News. Look what happened with Wikileaks and Manning, the first time anyone knew about it was AFTER it had been reported. Same with Snowden.

    Seriously folks, this is not that big of a deal.
    If not him, it's the mentality of the leaders he assigns to departments that think just like him. He sets the tone in his administration, and if he didn't know about it then some asshole just like him did.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm going to do something here which I hate because frankly, I think Obama is the most incompentent POTUS that we've had in a long time.

    That said...

    NO POTUS is capable of knowing everything about everything. I'm not going to be a partisan hack on this, I can easily see the administrators of that VA hospital being able to keep this a secret. It happens all the time in any big business, I'm sure that many would agree with that, so why couldn't these administrators? And to top it off it is not unheard of for a President to learn about something from the News. Look what happened with Wikileaks and Manning, the first time anyone knew about it was AFTER it had been reported. Same with Snowden.

    Seriously folks, this is not that big of a deal.
    Whats youre basically saying though is that govt is too big to be managed. These are the kinds of problems that happen when you try to manage an individuals personal healthcare from a cubical in washington.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If not him, it's the mentality of the leaders he assigns to departments that think just like him. He sets the tone in his administration, and if he didn't know about it then some asshole just like him did.
    How about just blame the administrators of that hospital? You know, the ones that are the real criminals?
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

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    Whats youre basically saying though is that govt is too big to be managed. These are the kinds of problems that happen when you try to manage an individuals personal healthcare from a cubical in washington.
    Nope. What I said is what I meant. This has nothing to do with the government (or party lines) despite this being a VA hosptial. Bad people will do bad things and there is no way in hell that we can keep track of everything no matter how hard we try.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How about just blame the administrators of that hospital? You know, the ones that are the real criminals?
    Them too, you know this has gone on for many years and has been somewhat known?
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope. What I said is what I meant. This has nothing to do with the government (or party lines) despite this being a VA hosptial. Bad people will do bad things and there is no way in hell that we can keep track of everything no matter how hard we try.
    But what you said is a sympton of what I said. You just havent connected that yet. The President cant know everything? Exactly! Thats why he shouldnt be in charge of everything.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But what you said is a sympton of what I said. You just havent connected that yet. The President cant know everything? Exactly! Thats why he shouldnt be in charge of everything.
    He's not, that's why he appoints people who appoints other people.

    Yeah, I get what you're saying...government is too big, we need to shrink it! However there is a difference between being too big and being able to know everything. You could shrink the executive office down to just the military or just the VA and the POTUS still wouldn't be able to know everything that is happening. What you're asking for is just impossible.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    He's not, that's why he appoints people who appoints other people.

    Yeah, I get what you're saying...government is too big, we need to shrink it! However there is a difference between being too big and being able to know everything. You could shrink the executive office down to just the military or just the VA and the POTUS still wouldn't be able to know everything that is happening. What you're asking for is just impossible.
    No, but we should at least be working towards better. Obama could wake up one day and say, hey, i cant manage everything, so lets stop trying. But he wont, he'll double down, spend more money, hire more bureaucrats, pass more laws. And congress will go along.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, but we should at least be working towards better. Obama could wake up one day and say, hey, i cant manage everything, so lets stop trying. But he wont, he'll double down, spend more money, hire more bureaucrats, pass more laws. And congress will go along.
    What in your mind would be better?
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What in your mind would be better?
    Regarding veterans healthcare specifically? Let them manage their own care, and send us the bill. Regarding govt in general? Veto new laws, repeal old laws.

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