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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your anecdotal evidence is still irrelevant. You're the one who is confused, jack....I never said a word about "management"....only "oversight". If you want to continue defending your strawman then go right ahead....but my point stands until you provide a link to some credible evidence that proves otherwise.......


    "....The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA....."

    History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs
    Your quote is accurate and makes my point. No one in Congress or on any Congressional staff has any responsibility for what happened at the VA. Not even the WH will claim this was a failure of oversight. Why? Because it wasn't.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Your quote is accurate and makes my point. No one in Congress or on any Congressional staff has any responsibility for what happened at the VA. Not even the WH will claim this was a failure of oversight. Why? Because it wasn't.
    That doesnt make any sense. Oversight means congress IS responsible for make sure the President is doing his job. Just like its the citizens responsibility to make sure the govt is doing its job. Everyone is to blame.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    That doesnt make any sense. Oversight means congress IS responsible for make sure the President is doing his job. Just like its the citizens responsibility to make sure the govt is doing its job. Everyone is to blame.
    Management responsibility and accountability for executive agencies (like VA) resides exclusively in the executive branch.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Management responsibility and accountability for executive agencies (like VA) resides exclusively in the executive branch.
    And the people who authorize it.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And the people who authorize it.
    If by "authorize" you refer to Congressional power to authorize spending then you have hit on the foundation of the Congressional oversight role. Oversight is not management, however, and executive accountability remains primary.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If by "authorize" you refer to Congressional power to authorize spending then you have hit on the foundation of the Congressional oversight role. Oversight is not management, however, and executive accountability remains primary.
    And management by congress and people remain secondary, which means there plenty of blame to go around. Thats how checks and balanced work. Thats how a limited executive works. Thats hows powers being derived from the people work. The buck stops with us.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And management by congress and people remain secondary, which means there plenty of blame to go around. Thats how checks and balanced work. Thats how a limited executive works. Thats hows powers being derived from the people work. The buck stops with us.
    The executive isn't "limited" in management of the executive agencies. Congress has oversight in the sense of REVIEW/funding - but no say in how the depts. are run
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And management by congress and people remain secondary, which means there plenty of blame to go around. Thats how checks and balanced work. Thats how a limited executive works. Thats hows powers being derived from the people work. The buck stops with us.
    Saying we're all to blame is just an easy way to say no one is to blame. There is no management of the VA by Congress, secondary or otherwise. Management responsibility resides exclusively in the executive branch. We the people exercise our responsibility by voting. Those who voted for BHO share responsibility for his administration, including the VA.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Saying we're all to blame is just an easy way to say no one is to blame. There is no management of the VA by Congress, secondary or otherwise. Management responsibility resides exclusively in the executive branch. We the people exercise our responsibility by voting. Those who voted for BHO share responsibility for his administration, including the VA.
    No, its saying everyone is to blame. Obama for mismanagement, congress for failure of oversight, the people for putting them in charge.

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