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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

    Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

    Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.
    It says he really couldn't care less.... and any statements which are made are to placate the masses.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It says he really couldn't care less.... and any statements which are made are to placate the masses.
    Well he did tell the Democrats they needed to attack Republicans.....I put up a thread on it in Partisan. I guess he is tired of hearing himself, Harry and Nancy being basically the only ones. While all others are playing defense.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Having spent over three decades in the federal government, I assure you that responsibility and accountability reside exclusively in the executive branch for all federal departments and agencies. Congress has oversight to ensure that responsibility is exercised and accountability is recognized. But Congress has zero responsibility for federal executive management.
    Your decades in government is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

    Not that facts matter to you, but they might to others. Congress is responsible for the oversight of the VA and it says so right here on the congress committees website and they oughta know since they wrote the law ......


    The Committee on Veterans' Affairs of the House of Representatives was authorized by enactment of Public Law 601, 79th Congress, which was entitled "Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946." Section 121(a) of this Act provides: "there shall be elected by the House at the commencement of each Congress the following standing committees": Nineteen Committees are listed and No. 18 quotes: "Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to consist of 27 Members." This Act has since been amended so that there are now 22 Standing Committees in the House of Representatives. The number of Members (Representatives) authorized to serve on each Committee has been changed from time to time. There are currently 29 members of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

    The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA.

    http://veterans.house.gov/about/history-jurisdiction


    In all your years in government how come you didn't know that, Jack?
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your decades in government is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

    Not that facts matter to you, but they might to others. Congress is responsible for the oversight of the VA and it says so right here on the congress committees website and they oughta know since they wrote the law ......


    The Committee on Veterans' Affairs of the House of Representatives was authorized by enactment of Public Law 601, 79th Congress, which was entitled "Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946." Section 121(a) of this Act provides: "there shall be elected by the House at the commencement of each Congress the following standing committees": Nineteen Committees are listed and No. 18 quotes: "Committee on Veterans' Affairs, to consist of 27 Members." This Act has since been amended so that there are now 22 Standing Committees in the House of Representatives. The number of Members (Representatives) authorized to serve on each Committee has been changed from time to time. There are currently 29 members of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

    The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA.

    History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs


    In all your years in government how come you didn't know that, Jack?

    On the contrary, I testified before oversight committees on several occasions. I'm thoroughly familiar with the process. The point is that oversight is not management and full accountability and management responsibility resides in the executive branch. As I posted earlier, your claims in this thread represent a complete misunderstanding of how the government works.
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Whats it say when the President says hes on top of this and then heads off to fundraisers?

    Yesterday he went to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and then two DNC fundraisers. That was his work for the day.
    I'm surprised he didn't squeeze in 18 holes along the way.

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    You can always count on Nancy for 2 things - giving us a good belly laugh, and her outstanding portrayal of an idiot.

    Well done, Nancy!

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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    On the contrary, I testified before oversight committees on several occasions. I'm thoroughly familiar with the process. The point is that oversight is not management and full accountability and management responsibility resides in the executive branch. As I posted earlier, your claims in this thread represent a complete misunderstanding of how the government works.

    Your anecdotal evidence is still irrelevant. You're the one who is confused, jack....I never said a word about "management"....only "oversight". If you want to continue defending your strawman then go right ahead....but my point stands until you provide a link to some credible evidence that proves otherwise.......


    "....The Committee on Veterans' Affairs is the authorizing Committee for the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Committee recommends legislation expanding, curtailing, or fine-tuning existing laws relating to veterans' benefits. The Committee also has oversight responsibility, which means monitoring and evaluating the operations of the VA. If the Committee finds the that VA is not administering laws as Congress intended, then it is "corrected" through the hearing process and legislation. We are the voice of Congress for veterans in dealings with the VA....."

    History and Jurisdiction | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs
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    Re: Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

    "....Congressional oversight refers to oversight by the United States Congress on the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight refers to the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation.[1] Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. However, oversight, which dates to the earliest days of the Republic, also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff.

    Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances........"

    Congressional oversight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Why didn't congress investigate the problems with the VA sooner?

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