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Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

mak2 said:
Barbaric.
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Its all really rather relative, isnt it?

"One woman was beaten by her ex-husband repeatedly. He was in prison for a short time but released years earlier than she'd planned. "He strangled me and stomped on my face and punched me in the face in front of our three kids who were completely helpless to the situation, a year and 9 months later he's getting out," Heather Duhachek said.

Timothy Moody was facing 14 years behind bars for beating Duhachek. "When I knew I was in trouble was when I looked up and saw the bottom of his shoe above my face and I just thought to myself, oh my god, he's going to stomp on my face."

Moody was sentenced to only 6 years, but was released early in July under the good time law. More than 4 years sooner than she expected. "It was just the gray bottom of a tennis shoe above my eye and I just shut my eye as tight as I could and I turned my head to the side and I could see my daughter, my five year old standing there and as she's standing there and her dad is stomping on my face she's just got tears rolling down her face."

Duhachek says the attack affected her children severely. "Mommy was on the ground and daddy was on top of her, he was holding her really, very bad. I heard her crying, he wouldn't stop," her daughter said."
(rather than pst the photo of the aftermath, I'll just post the link. I image is rather...barbaric...)
Domestic Violence Victim Takes Stand After Ex Is Released Early - FOX 42: Omaha News, Sports and Weather; kptm.com |
 
Sababa said:
that is why the government must.
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Well the government doesn't either. Even for crimes that don't warrant death or even a life sentence, we still throw people in jail for 10+ years where the focus is making their lives miserable rather than rehabilitating. We rig the game so that when you get out of prison, your most likely outcome is going back in.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
but who would be willing to pull the trigger.
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Hello. :2wave:


In most cases I doubt it would bother me much, if at all... though I would insist on the right to review the case myself and decline to participate if I felt the evidence was less than compelling or the crime itself less than heinous.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
but who would be willing to pull the trigger.
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Depending on the circumstances, shouldn't be that hard to find. I may have trouble pulling the trigger if there is any doubt of the person's guilt, however if I knew it was someone like one of the last to make the news, like that guy who tortured and killed the 19 year old girl a few decades ago and cost a family their only child...................I could do it in a heartbeat. Does that make me a bad guy? Who knows? But what happens to some of the people by truly evil people is sickening.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Depending on the circumstances, shouldn't be that hard to find. I may have trouble pulling the trigger if there is any doubt of the person's guilt, however if I knew it was someone like one of the last to make the news, like that guy who tortured and killed the 19 year old girl a few decades ago and cost a family their only child...................I could do it in a heartbeat. Does that make me a bad guy? Who knows? But what happens to some of the people by truly evil people is sickening.
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the moral question remains.

what justifies killing a human being?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
the moral question remains.

what justifies killing a human being?
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Defense, whether that be self or others, that is the only one with no questions. The other is due process, however the punishment must fit the crime, take a life, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the case can be made that your own is forfeit, molest or rape a child, death should be an option. Forcible rape IMO should have a death penalty option. Those are about the only ones I can see having a justifiable death sentence because of the heinous nature of the acts.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
the moral question remains.

what justifies killing a human being?
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Quite a lot of things, actually.

War, and they are the enemy.
Self-defense against a threat of serious harm.
Punishment for a heinous crime involving murder for which there was no mitigating circumstance.

That's three off the top... one could argue there are more...
 
Goshin said:
Quite a lot of things, actually.

War, and they are the enemy.
Self-defense against a threat of serious harm.
Punishment for a heinous crime involving murder for which there was no mitigating circumstance.

That's three off the top... one could argue there are more...
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those two underlined sentences are legitimate reasons, the last one is not a open and shut case.

a episode of B.S.! influenced my view.

 
Sababa said:
The barbarism of the convicted is not and should not be relevant to the government's choice of execution method. In fact it is important that as a culture if we choose to kill people that it is done as justice and not revenge.
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I consider a double tap in the head justice and more justice and mercy than what they showed their victims.
 
I believe anyone who feels the death penalty is cruel how would they feel if someone in their family was raped or murdered would be singing a different tune.
 
AJiveMan said:
Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

Well, it might be quicker than lethal injection, but, kind of cruel.
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I still think the guillotine would be the quickest and least painful. It would be swish, plop, plop, plop, plop. Done and over and the murderer who committed heinous crimes would be no more. I do think we worry so much more about those who commit these crimes and not enough about the victims. But that is the world we live in today.
 
Navy Pride said:
I believe anyone who feels the death penalty is cruel how would they feel if someone in their family was raped or murdered would be singing a different tune.
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Too much sympathy is given to those who murder, rape and pillage, none it seems is give to the victims. It is like the victims do not count. Shame on them for being there in the first place for someone to murder and rape them.
 
Hatuey said:
Why not just bring back guillotines instead? Guaranteed death. :roll:
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Sick thing is that there would be nut jobs who would enjoy that.

Sunday afternoon Public beheadings guaranteed for your viewing pleasure! Refreshments available, Bring the family along!
 
Navy Pride said:
I believe anyone who feels the death penalty is cruel how would they feel if someone in their family was raped or murdered would be singing a different tune.
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If anyone is interested, there are countless people who have lost loved ones in horrific circumstances and they still oppose the death penalty.

These a real people, real stories, absolutely heartbreaking. Some of them have witnessed the death penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all, in fact it just creates more victims.

Victims' Stories | Murder Victims

To answer your question Navy, the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. Some total stranger may assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up but it's not and it never will be. It won't bring closure, that has to come from within.
 
I would prefer firing squad, it's cheap fast and if for some reason it doesn't work you can shoot again until the person is dead. I support using the death penalty in severe cases, but execution by firing squad is fine with me, maybe even preferable.
 
Serenity said:
If anyone is interested, there are countless people who have lost loved ones in horrific circumstances and they still oppose the death penalty.

These a real people, real stories, absolutely heartbreaking. Some of them have witnessed the death penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all, in fact it just creates more victims.

Victims' Stories | Murder Victims

To answer your question Navy, the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. Some total stranger may assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up but it's not and it never will be. It won't bring closure, that has to come from within.
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I went though this with my best friend who was murdered at his place of business. His killers were sentenced to death... took 10 yrs in one case and 14 yrs with the other.

While I was definitely pro-DP I must say I went through quite a range of emotions during the trials, appeals, and the lead up to the executions. When all was said and done, I tried to forgive my friend's killers and prayed for their souls... but I still felt that the death penalty was the correct punishment in this case (involving two senseless, needless, pointless murders of fine young persons aged 23 and 19) and that when it was done a feeling of relief that justice had been served.

Yes, closure is primarily internal... but seeing justice done certainly helps.
 
Serenity said:
If anyone is interested, there are countless people who have lost loved ones in horrific circumstances and they still oppose the death penalty.

These a real people, real stories, absolutely heartbreaking. Some of them have witnessed the death penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all, in fact it just creates more victims.

Victims' Stories | Murder Victims

To answer your question Navy, the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. Some total stranger may assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up but it's not and it never will be. It won't bring closure, that has to come from within.
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I am perfectly fine with giving a victim's family the final word on whether or not death should be pursued. That said, I have no sympathy for someone obviously guilty of a heinous crime getting the death penalty.
 
Ikari said:
Or we can avoid the whole mess and just not have a death penalty.
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I'm for that. Serious offenders doing laborious tasks, no cell phones in prison, no weight-workout rooms, no special privileges e.g TV, radio, cd players etc. in their cells. Passing though Alabama I'd noticed chain gangs working in the hot sun, without the chains alongside of highways, whacking weeds, picking up trash, that's a pretty good use of prison inmates, and the state doesn't have to pay people to do it.
 
Navy Pride said:
Who cares if its cruel. When these scumbags murder and rape people that is pretty cruel to don't you think?
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Yes, the only reservation I would have is in knowing the person actually committed the crime. Many people were sent to prisons in the past who with the help of attorneys and new DNA evidence found the prisoners were actually innocent.

If they going to pass death sentences upon people, they better be darned sure the person committed the act, real sure.
 
I don't support the death penalty. Too many innocent people
being released years and years later now.
 
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