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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    If you mean that even one innocent person being executed is one too many, I can agree. But most of those on death row are guilty.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I don't support the death penalty. Too many innocent people
    being released years and years later now.

    Actually in a lot of those cases it is not so much that they were INNOCENT... necessarily.


    Before DNA testing, biological sample were often not stored properly and old cases samples are often no longer viable for DNA testing. In some states this technicality has resulted in death sentences being commuted, after laws requiring DNA testing in capital cases were passed.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yes, the only reservation I would have is in knowing the person actually committed the crime. Many people were sent to prisons in the past who with the help of attorneys and new DNA evidence found the prisoners were actually innocent.

    If they going to pass death sentences upon people, they better be darned sure the person committed the act, real sure.

    Yup, I'm all for making the standard of evidence for the death penalty pretty high... if it were up to me, I'd also restrict it to only the most heinous and egregious forms of murder: murder with aggravating circumstances (ie torture or rape), murder committed while engaged in another felony (ie burglary)... murders of helpless victims who gave no offense to the perp... that sort of thing.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually in a lot of those cases it is not so much that they were INNOCENT... necessarily.


    Before DNA testing, biological sample were often not stored properly and old cases samples are often no longer viable for DNA testing. In some states this technicality has resulted in death sentences being commuted, after laws requiring DNA testing in capital cases were passed.
    And police departments charged with altering evidence, coercing witnesses, and cities paying out huge restitution amounts.

    I'm not sure, but I believe evidence is stored now in a climate controlled area. I have heard of instances where blood or semen DNA can be extracted from clothing stored in brown bags for as many as twenty years, but I don't know if that's fact or fiction.

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    Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the moral question remains.

    what justifies killing a human being?
    when you have a rabid dog that represents a threat to society do you just keep it locked up until it does of natural causes, maybe in a kennel where it can affect other locked up animals or attack the occasional keeper?

    And no...I'm not really comparing a vicious scumbag that rapes and then murders a mother and her child to a rabid dog. The scumbag is far worse than a rabid dog. But if you are looking for justification for eliminating a 'human being' from society....
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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yup, I'm all for making the standard of evidence for the death penalty pretty high... if it were up to me, I'd also restrict it to only the most heinous and egregious forms of murder: murder with aggravating circumstances (ie torture or rape), murder committed while engaged in another felony (ie burglary)... murders of helpless victims who gave no offense to the perp... that sort of thing.
    Police departments and cities can protect themselves from having to award past defendants restitution, and falsely accused, by incarcerating people for life, that way, if there's ever a doubt of guilt, the defendant would still be alive and released if innocent. At least the defendant could be set free.

    As you can tell, I'm sort of on the fence concerning the death penalty, there have been serious mistakes and miscarriages of justice in the past.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Police departments and cities can protect themselves from having to award past defendants restitution, and falsely accused, by incarcerating people for life, that way, if there's ever a doubt of guilt, the defendant would still be alive and released if innocent. At least the defendant could be set free.

    As you can tell, I'm sort of on the fence concerning the death penalty, there have been serious mistakes and miscarriages of justice in the past.


    This is true, and one reason why my support for it has become a bit less absolute in recent years. You can't give a man back the years he spent in prison, but you can set him free; once you kill a man there is no undoing that.

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Damn these newfangled things like firing squads!

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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

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    Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Well, it might be quicker than lethal injection, but, kind of cruel.


    Before anyone goes crazy on this, I believe they want to re-introduce the firing squad as a choice of method.

    As I understand it, under the LDS faith, the spilling of blood in necessary for redemption and the firing squad was kept in for that reason.
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    Re: Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    The barbarism of the convicted is not and should not be relevant to the government's choice of execution method. In fact it is important that as a culture if we choose to kill people that it is done as justice and not revenge.
    Revenge is the only justification for capital punishment.
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