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Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

Excon said:
:doh

Move on?
I have no need to move on from my position.

It was obvious that I was speaking about any labor force that a union is attempting to unionize.

You can do anything that is legal, to prevent unionization. Such as lobbying the employees not to form a union.
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you would support them ?
 
Medusa said:
bosses
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What?
Why don't you try to lay out exactly what you are trying to say.

As it is, it makes no sense.
Or are you just trying to put words into my mouth I didn't say?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.
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Bad economies ALWAYS bring out the radical nut ball elements in a Society.
 
Fenton said:
Bad economies ALWAYS bring out the radical nut ball elements in a Society.
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Calling a raise for the minimum wage is "radical"? Isnt that working within the capitalist system?
 
Excon said:
:doh

Move on?
I have no need to move on from my position.

It was obvious that I was speaking about any labor force that a union is attempting to unionize.

You can do anything that is legal, to prevent unionization. Such as lobbying the employees not to form a union.
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I think we covered this already. So long as you arent in favor of govt action to prevent unions, we dont have any disagreement. My issue was with whoever earlier said 'ban unions".
 
jonny5 said:
I think we covered this already. So long as you arent in favor of govt action to prevent unions, we dont have any disagreement. My issue was with whoever earlier said 'ban unions".
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I am all in favor of the Gov. minding it's own business in the private sector and staying out of it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Calling a raise for the minimum wage is "radical"? Isnt that working within the capitalist system?
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Calling for a minimum wage increase in a shrinking economy is definitely radical.

A.d destructive and counter productive.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Calling a raise for the minimum wage is "radical"? Isnt that working within the capitalist system?
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I don't know about radical, but I don't see how an economic system addresses a political issue. In the capitalist system, an employee would ask for a raise for themselve and if they didn't get it, that could either accept that or seek employment elsewhere for a value they see as fair.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I don't know about radical, but I don't see how an economic system addresses a political issue. In the capitalist system, an employee would ask for a raise for themselve and if they didn't get it, that could either accept that or seek employment elsewhere for a value they see as fair.
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You see but we have a regulation called the minimum wage tho...
 
Fenton said:
Calling for a minimum wage increase in a shrinking economy is definitely radical.
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Just now it shrunk for the first time in years, "The U.S. economy contracted for the first time in three years in the first quarter as it buckled under a severe winter, but there are signs it has rebounded and economists say it could grow as much as 4 percent in the current quarter.

The Commerce Department on Thursday slashed its estimate of gross domestic product to show the economy shrank at a 1.0 percent annual rate." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-us-economy-shrinks-in-first-quarter-amid-severe-weather-20140529,0,1828180.story
Not only that but its supposed to rebound.
And working within they system to call for a raise is not radical at all. I dont see how it is radical.


A.d destructive and counter productive.
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Nope. Not is not
Nearly 3 years, and counting: Minimum wage increase helps working families and the economy | Economic Policy Institute
Economists agree: Raising the minimum wage reduces poverty
How raising the federal minimum wage would help working families and give the economy a boost | Economic Policy Institute
6 Ways A $12 Minimum Wage Would Help The Economy
Reduces poverty, gives the economy a boost, increases purchasing power, raises the GDP,
 
JRSaindo said:
Since when did so many abandon the free market? Flipping burgers is now a profession? When did this happen? Is the economy in every nation that bad that this is now a career path? When I was growing up it was kids and "special" people working at fast food joints. Learning responsibility, saving money, etc. Sorry, a career in flipping burgers and fries is not worth $15 an hour. What skills do you need for that job? They can't even spread the pickles out properly, they just pile everything in the middle.

$15 an hour is for associate degree skill level, not high school dropout skill level. So are all these socialists calling for raises for every other profession also? Is it fair to the people who spent the money and time to get an associates degree to have the same pay as a burger flipper? So lets raise everyone's wages in every profession by over 100%. That ought to be fair right? Ridiculous, the whole damn "civilized" world is ridiculous. No long term thinking applies anymore. Selfish attitudes of instant gratification took over at the expense of the future. We should be ashamed. Everything is NOT equal in the real world, or have we forgotten that there are always winners and losers? Not everyone is a winner.

On the bright side, now maybe fast food chains will start dying out when the price of products goes up. I say products because it is barely food. Employers NEVER eat the cost. Their margins MUST go up. So you know who the costs will be passed to if this happens. So should we also freeze price increases? The free market is pretty much dead. The joys of short-sighted thinkers and unintended consequences.
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For those that don't have faith in people to be their best, they think burger flippin is a career. It's also cheap vote buying...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Just now it shrunk for the first time in years, "The U.S. economy contracted for the first time in three years in the first quarter as it buckled under a severe winter, but there are signs it has rebounded and economists say it could grow as much as 4 percent in the current quarter.

The Commerce Department on Thursday slashed its estimate of gross domestic product to show the economy shrank at a 1.0 percent annual rate." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-us-economy-shrinks-in-first-quarter-amid-severe-weather-20140529,0,1828180.story
Not only that but its supposed to rebound.
And working within they system to call for a raise is not radical at all. I dont see how it is radical.



Nope. Not is not
Nearly 3 years, and counting: Minimum wage increase helps working families and the economy | Economic Policy Institute
Economists agree: Raising the minimum wage reduces poverty
How raising the federal minimum wage would help working families and give the economy a boost | Economic Policy Institute
6 Ways A $12 Minimum Wage Would Help The Economy
Reduces poverty, gives the economy a boost, increases purchasing power, raises the GDP,
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Why stop at $15 an hour?

Government provided cars for every high school grad!

Government provided "Food ration cards" good for say $150 a person per household!

Government provided housing!
It would be green, compact so that urban sprawl stops, and keep people "safe in the village". In fact if we reach that point we can do away with cars! Planned cities!


I don't see why we keep randomly blundering along, a planned country could erase crime, poverty, hunger! No more income inequality!


(I think I just made TDS orgasm with that... I feel dirty)
 
MrVicchio said:
Why stop at $15 an hour?

Government provided cars for every high school grad!

Government provided "Food ration cards" good for say $150 a person per household!

Government provided housing!
It would be green, compact so that urban sprawl stops, and keep people "safe in the village". In fact if we reach that point we can do away with cars! Planned cities!


I don't see why we keep randomly blundering along, a planned country could erase crime, poverty, hunger! No more income inequality!


(I think I just made TDS orgasm with that... I feel dirty)
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It's entry level low skilled work. Frankly, such labor doesn't deserve a $15 wage and just because someone is alive doesn't entitle them to some kind of "living" wage. If something like this does happen then public assistance and welfare also needs to decrease with the standards to getting it being more strict.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
You see but we have a regulation called the minimum wage tho...
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And by the US being generally a capitalist system is your proof that minimum wage is a capitalistic concept. That's as nutty as saying that because there is theft in the US is proof that we are in a socialist system.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
And by the US being generally a capitalist system is your proof that minimum wage is a capitalistic concept. That's as nutty as saying that because there is theft in the US is proof that we are in a socialist system.
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No. Im saying we are mainly a capitalist system but not a completely laissez-faire capitalist system. We are a regulated capitalist system with some mixed markets.
 
MrVicchio said:
Why stop at $15 an hour?

Government provided cars for every high school grad!

Government provided "Food ration cards" good for say $150 a person per household!

Government provided housing!
It would be green, compact so that urban sprawl stops, and keep people "safe in the village". In fact if we reach that point we can do away with cars! Planned cities!


I don't see why we keep randomly blundering along, a planned country could erase crime, poverty, hunger! No more income inequality!


(I think I just made TDS orgasm with that... I feel dirty)
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Smaller government? Why stop there? Anarchy!
 
digsbe said:
It's entry level low skilled work. Frankly, such labor doesn't deserve a $15 wage and just because someone is alive doesn't entitle them to some kind of "living" wage. If something like this does happen then public assistance and welfare also needs to decrease with the standards to getting it being more strict.
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"People should live in poverty so I can get my ****ty burger for a dollar less"
 
Deuce said:
"People should live in poverty so I can get my ****ty burger for a dollar less"
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Oh please :roll:

For one, I very very rarely eat fast food. It's unhealthy. What I'm saying is unskilled entry level labor doesn't deserve $15 an hour. If all you can muster is minimum wage then work 60 hours per week or multiple jobs if you have too. Don't increase wages for low skilled labor just because someone thinks you should make double what you make and that you are somehow entitled to only having to work around 40 hours a week to make a "living wage." Find roommates, go without cellphones/cable/internet, eat cheap. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is just another stupid entitlement mindset ploy. Want to make $15 an hour? learn a skill or a trade and enter a labor market where your labor is worth $15, don't hike up what businesses have to pay just because someone is entitled to a subjective "living wage" that is on the backs of the company to provide.
 
digsbe said:
Oh please :roll:

For one, I very very rarely eat fast food. It's unhealthy. What I'm saying is unskilled entry level labor doesn't deserve $15 an hour. If all you can muster is minimum wage then work 60 hours per week or multiple jobs if you have too. Don't increase wages for low skilled labor just because someone thinks you should make double what you make and that you are somehow entitled to only having to work around 40 hours a week to make a "living wage." Find roommates, go without cellphones/cable/internet, eat cheap. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is just another stupid entitlement mindset ploy. Want to make $15 an hour? learn a skill or a trade and enter a labor market where your labor is worth $15, don't hike up what businesses have to pay just because someone is entitled to a subjective "living wage" that is on the backs of the company to provide.
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hi digsbe ,l understand you but mcdonalds's boss makes so much money from this unhealthy fast food chain whose workers arent needed to be skilled enough to earn much
 
digsbe said:
... don't hike up what businesses have to pay just because someone is entitled to a subjective "living wage" that is on the backs of the company to provide.
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...but it being on the backs of the tax payers to subsidize the lives of these multi-million dollar corporation's labor force is ok?



FYI -

This is the face of today's fast food workers -- 70% of whom are over the age of 20, nearly 40% have children and a third of them have spent some time in college, according to U.S. census data.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/30/news/economy/fast-food-educated-older/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
 
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