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Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

We also all already help pay for the wars we are in whether we are for them or not, so I really don't get your droning on.
This fact works against you not for you; the logic is that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers. Perhaps if you thought a little bit you wouldn't need to waste words.
 
You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should.



Here is just another reason why Unions are bad.
As reported in a blog at The Washington Times.


ANALYSIS/OPINION:
Few workers would turn down a raise. Union members, however, can have raises turned down on their behalf.
Employees of a Pennsylvania grocery store learned this the hard way. Managers at the Giant Eagle grocery in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, wanted to reward hard work. So they boosted the wages of two dozen high-performing employees above their union rates. But United Food and Commercial Workers Local 23 was not pleased. The union argued the pay increases violated their contract, took Giant Eagle to court and forced it to rescind the raises.

Why did Local 23 oppose higher pay for its members? Because it upended their seniority system, allowing junior employees to make more those with more seniority. Local 23 wanted uniform pay scales — even if that meant cutting some of their members’ wages.

Workers today want — and expect — recognition for their contributions and abilities, but uniform-pay scales forbid that. Such contracts could work in the assembly line economy of the 1930s, where workers performed essentially interchangeable jobs. But not in today’s knowledge economy. Why would a software designer or a search-marketing consultant want one?​


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SHERK: Reinventing unions - Washington Times

There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed. People have a right to assemble. You might as well try to ban knitting clubs.
 
There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed.
Wrong.
You see, you are taking your statement to the extreme.
You can lobby against which results in the prevention.

So like I said; "You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should."



People have a right to assemble.
No one said they couldn't.


But the laws should change.
They can assemble all they want. They can even lobby their employer.
They just shouldn't be able to force their desires on an employer.
 
This fact works against you not for you; the logic is that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers. Perhaps if you thought a little bit you wouldn't need to waste words.

Wait, after a idiotic comparison, you come up with the fact that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers even if we don't eat at the places in question? And then add an ad hom? Whatever, my bad for even responding to the retarded part of this thread. Carry on.
 
Wait, after a idiotic comparison, you come up with the fact that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers even if we don't eat at the places in question? And then add an ad hom? Whatever, my bad for even responding to the retarded part of this thread. Carry on.
Again, this response is a waste of bandwidth. Had you understood the comparison made initially, you wouldn't be as confused as you are now Mr. "play to play" policy management expert. At least those ideas will remain in the virtual world, I sure hope you're not running for office.
 
No, we should ban unions especially government employee unions. What a bad, bad mess that was. Thanks JFK....

I don't know about banning all unions, but we certainly don't need unions in government. I do think that there was once a time when unions were much needed, and served a great purpose. That time is long past, and I think many unions do much more damage to the economy than they help it now.
 
From the OP:

'The protesters are demanding better pay in a global rallying cry against rising income inequality,'

That's ridiculous.

1) Imo, income inequality is almost nothing to do with lack of pay at the lower levels...it is almost entirely to do with government's redistributing wealth to the rich.
TARP, QE, 'too-big-to-fail', mark-to-market rule changes, rising power of the central banks (especially the Fed), massive fiscal deficits, ...surely you people are not so naive as to believe these programs are designed to help anyone but the rich?
Powerful politicians are rich and they have rich friends. Most of them (IMO) could care less about the middle class/poor except how to con the ignorant masses into voting for them.
The lower income voters have to stop the above programs that allow their leaders to continue to funnel more and more of their tax dollars to the rich AND create programs (like QE) that do little but help the higher earners tremendously (through the propping up of the stock market).


2) Some burger flipper getting $5-7 more an hour is going to do little to help income equality...it will probably actually hurt it (especially in America) as higher wages will a) make products more expensive and less competitive and b) force companies to move every labor intensive job they can overseas where labor is cheaper. This will raise unemployment in America (as the CBO agrees with).

and 3) What do they care about income inequality in the first place? Isn't this about raising their pay so they can better feed their families?
Apparently not. This is also about resentment that others have what they do not.
Ego and (gasp) greed seem to be a large part of this 'holy quest for better lives for all'.
So much for nobility.

Just another group of people who want more pay for ZERO extra work...so much for hard work and ingenuity.

Well, the rich are getting it...so I guess the poor should get it as well.

Next stop...printing presses for all!!!
 
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Wrong.
You see, you are taking your statement to the extreme.
You can lobby against which results in the prevention.

So like I said; "You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should."



No one said they couldn't.


But the laws should change.
They can assemble all they want. They can even lobby their employer.
They just shouldn't be able to force their desires on an employer.

Thats what Ive been saying.
 
Thats what Ive been saying.
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No!
This is what you have been saying.
There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed.
That is a blanket statement that is wrong.
As you can do legal things which can prevent a Union from forming. As stated.
 
Only as low as costs will bear. Labor is a cost.

So is executive compensation.

Personally, 15 an hour is not realistic. But neither is 5,000 an hour.
 
So is executive compensation.

Personally, 15 an hour is not realistic. But neither is 5,000 an hour.

Well, you give it a shot, right? If someone will give you $5k and hour to run a company, great. If you can get someone to give you $15p/hr to mop the floor, also great. Just doesn't always work out.
 
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No!
This is what you have been saying.
That is a blanket statement that is wrong.
As you can do legal things which can prevent a Union from forming. As stated.

No its not. Youre talking about govt sponsored labor unions, whereas Im talking about the simply idea of people grouping together. You cant ban people from forming a group and making demand of an employer.
 
No its not. Youre talking about govt sponsored labor unions, whereas Im talking about the simply idea of people grouping together.
Again you are not paying attention.
I am not talking about any gov sponsored labor union. That is a ridiculous claim.
I am speaking about any labor force that a union is attempting to unionize.

You can do anything that is legal, to prevent unionization. Such as lobbying the employees not to form a union.


You cant ban people from forming a group and making demand of an employer.
Why are you not following the conversation?
Nothing I said even suggests that such activity could/should be banned.

So again.
People have a right to assemble.
No one said they couldn't.


But the laws should change.
They can assemble all they want. They can even lobby their employer.
They just shouldn't be able to force their desires on an employer.
 
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.


pleasee they are not talented and qualified enough to get paid the amount of money they need to meet their basic needs.they should be thankful to money monsters for being endowed with mercy by them because they still survive
 
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Well, you give it a shot, right? If someone will give you $5k and hour to run a company, great. If you can get someone to give you $15p/hr to mop the floor, also great. Just doesn't always work out.

Exactly. And I think that's where all this push back from exec comp is coming from. It's not working out. There's too much weight at the top of the tower, and the base is slowly but surely starting to crumble. But are they going about correcting this properly? I don't think so, but then, who am I? I'm trying to be one of those overpaid execs, lol.

I think exec comp being 400+ times higher than their hourly employees is merely a symptom of a larger problem. A government by the rich, for the rich. And that accusation applies to both Ds and Rs.
 
Either way that determination should be made between the employer/employee. Not govt.

It's government that's caused this to happen. How do you propose employees combat the might of the government?
 
Exactly. And I think that's where all this push back from exec comp is coming from. It's not working out. There's too much weight at the top of the tower, and the base is slowly but surely starting to crumble. But are they going about correcting this properly? I don't think so, but then, who am I? I'm trying to be one of those overpaid execs, lol.

I think exec comp being 400+ times higher than their hourly employees is merely a symptom of a larger problem. A government by the rich, for the rich. And that accusation applies to both Ds and Rs.

I really don't care what the CEO's make, that's between them and the company. Same with the burger flipper. The government certainly has no business in there either. But I do care about government blowing our tax dollars on high pay and crazy benefits for government employees. That's our money, and they spend it like it's unlimited.
 
Exactly. And I think that's where all this push back from exec comp is coming from. It's not working out. There's too much weight at the top of the tower, and the base is slowly but surely starting to crumble. But are they going about correcting this properly? I don't think so, but then, who am I? I'm trying to be one of those overpaid execs, lol.

I think exec comp being 400+ times higher than their hourly employees is merely a symptom of a larger problem. A government by the rich, for the rich. And that accusation applies to both Ds and Rs.

400 slack-jawed yokels combined couldn't do the job of a Paul Allen or a Jack Welch or a Steve Jobs. Seems appropriate.
 
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.

This isn't "fast food workers" kicking off global labor action. This is labor unions kicking off global labor actions. They organize the protests, pay people to attend, donate the busses and fire up the troops.
 
Again you are not paying attention.
I am not talking about any gov sponsored labor union. That is a ridiculous claim.
I am speaking about any labor force that a union is attempting to unionize.

You can do anything that is legal, to prevent unionization. Such as lobbying the employees not to form a union.



Why are you not following the conversation?
Nothing I said even suggests that such activity could/should be banned.

So again.

Again, youre saying ban labor unions. That suggests govt action. Im saying deregulate them. Its a minor difference, but same result.
 
Yep. If you're living on minwage, you need to sacrifice. No extra spending, get two jobs, and go to night school. Welcome to life. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Raising the wage is not giving them a "free lunch". In fact it will take more people off these "free lunch" programs which you are adamantly against.
 
Raising the wage is not giving them a "free lunch". In fact it will take more people off these "free lunch" programs which you are adamantly against.

I have a high tech, skilled job that requires training, experience and is in demand. I make averaged out 16.3 an hour.

How is flipping burgers commensurate with my job in terms of demand, skills or results?

Also, why should private companies, investors and yes consumers over pay for labor?
 
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