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Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

TheDemSocialist said:
How could you justify such a claim?
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Why so surprised? I don't set the rate, the market does. How could you justify paying a fast food worker $15p/hr when a computer tech is getting $14p/hr? I think that is a huge flaw in the leftist agenda, they never think of the consequences of their actions. You should walk through what might happen if there was such a huge increase in wages for such a low value job with plentiful labor supply. can you think of any effects that might have?
 
Slyhunter said:
Machines don't do customer service.
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Oh I mean there'd still be humans about, at least for now, in the stores. You just don't need the cashiers anymore.
 
MrVicchio said:
Thankfully there are states that have right to work laws to prevent unionization.
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RTW laws do not prevent unionization. There are unions in RTW states. Under RTW it still takes a significant number of dumbasses to act against their own best interests to undermine the unions.
 
Muhammed said:
RTW laws do not prevent unionization. There are unions in RTW states. Under RTW it still takes a significant number of dumbasses to act against their own best interests to undermine the unions.
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RTW just means that unions have a hell of a hard time scamming workers into forking over cash so the union big wigs can live the good life. Unions are so great, look what they did to Detroit!
 
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Fast food worker strikes....


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MrVicchio said:
Thankfully there are states that have right to work laws to prevent unionization.
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You cant prevent unionization, and shouldnt. At least in terms of govt backed unions. People have a right to assemble, to form groups, to make demands of their employers. BUT, we also shouldnt be forcing people into unions, or forcing employers to deal with them.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Never seen one here. And I believe it was company policy when i worked there like 6-7 years ago. But hey maybe policy changed.
But speaking of Subway, the CEO of Subway is in favor of minimum wage hike.
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So why hasn't he done it?

Anybody can say they are in favor of anything.
 
jonny5 said:
You cant prevent unionization, and shouldnt. At least in terms of govt backed unions. People have a right to assemble, to form groups, to make demands of their employers. BUT, we also shouldnt be forcing people into unions, or forcing employers to deal with them.
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No, we should ban unions especially government employee unions. What a bad, bad mess that was. Thanks JFK....
 
Muhammed said:
More fast food workers need to grow a pair and unionize, otherwise they will never have enough leverage to negotiate a decent wage. Like Walmart workers, until they do that, it is difficult for me to have any sympathy for them.
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How do you think they are going to pay the unión fees, or are the unións going to do all the work for free because they are mínimum wage earners?
 
Psychoclown said:
I worked in fast food as a teenager. Its not a pleasant job, but its also not a job that is difficult to do. Even someone with below average intelligence and physical abilities could still adequately do the job. My point here is fast food workers are easily replaceable. Literally almost anyone can do the job. These are entry level, bottom rung positions in the workforce. Places to prove you have basic work place skills like being able to show up on time, do as your boss instructs you, work with others, ect. Its a place to build up experience and references. Its not a place to make a career. You can't expect a job that has virtually a limitless pool of workers to draw from to offer significant or even mediocre wages. You work here for a bit and move on to better things.
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It is amazing hoiw many people can't handle those three basic things.
 
Psychoclown said:
I worked in fast food as a teenager. Its not a pleasant job, but its also not a job that is difficult to do. Even someone with below average intelligence and physical abilities could still adequately do the job. My point here is fast food workers are easily replaceable. Literally almost anyone can do the job. These are entry level, bottom rung positions in the workforce. Places to prove you have basic work place skills like being able to show up on time, do as your boss instructs you, work with others, ect. Its a place to build up experience and references. Its not a place to make a career. You can't expect a job that has virtually a limitless pool of workers to draw from to offer significant or even mediocre wages. You work here for a bit and move on to better things.
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Believe it or not, new college grads also have to learn that you have to show up on time and every day (even if their tummy hurts or they're hung over), follow instructions, and get along with others. I've heard many engineering recruiters and managers refer to this as the "90-day window of opportunity."

Also believe it or not, there are some fast-food workers who cannot perform even the most routine, repetitive tasks and have to be "babysat" every minute of the day. The turnover in the fast-food industry is tremendous, and the pickin's are often slim and the employment pool very shallow.

But working in the fast-food industry isn't always a dead-end job. If you're talking about a national chain, it depends very much on the franchisee. Someone I love very much had to hit rock bottom (and continue to dig for awhile), but the cranial-anal extraction finally occurred. A fast-food joint gave this individual a chance, and seven years later, this same person is managing stores in the franchise with the opportunity in a few years to buy in.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, we should ban unions especially government employee unions. What a bad, bad mess that was. Thanks JFK....
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You cant ban unions. That would be an infringement on basic liberties. We simply shouldnt use govt to give them special status.
 
MrVicchio said:
RTW just means that unions have a hell of a hard time scamming workers into forking over cash so the union big wigs can live the good life.
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Scamming workers? That's a crock. The fact of the matter is that union workers earn more than non-union workers. That's a good deal for the working class.


MrVicchio said:
Unions are so great, look what they did to Detroit!
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Unions are great. I know being a union member benefitted me immensely.
 
Muhammed said:
Scamming workers? That's a crock. The fact of the matter is that union workers earn more than non-union workers. That's a good deal for the working class.


Unions are great. I know being a union member benefitted me immensely.
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Unions, are why states like California are in the ****ter economically, why the big three automakers nearly went belly up.

Unions are parasites, they kill the host. Sure, at first it's GREAT! But well when that blood runs out it's time to move on...

I despise unions and IMHO union members are very selfish people.
 
MrVicchio said:
Unions, are why states like California are in the ****ter economically, why the big three automakers nearly went belly up.
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You're just scapegoating unions. California is screwed because of NAFTA, not unions.

MrVicchio said:
Unions are parasites, they kill the host. Sure, at first it's GREAT! But well when that blood runs out it's time to move on...

I despise unions and IMHO union members are very selfish people.
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If the most productive members of our society do not look after their own self-interests then nobody else will. It is immoral to not be selfish when it comes to getting compensated well for your labor. Those hours spent working are hours you can never get back. When negotiating with an employer it makes no sense to be altruistic. You must be selfish to avoid being unfairly exploited.

It is the scabs who are parasites. They are free-riders. The scabs indirectly benefit from unions but do not pay dues.
 
jonny5 said:
You cant prevent unionization, and shouldnt.
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You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should.



Here is just another reason why Unions are bad.
As reported in a blog at The Washington Times.


ANALYSIS/OPINION:
Few workers would turn down a raise. Union members, however, can have raises turned down on their behalf.
Employees of a Pennsylvania grocery store learned this the hard way. Managers at the Giant Eagle grocery in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, wanted to reward hard work. So they boosted the wages of two dozen high-performing employees above their union rates. But United Food and Commercial Workers Local 23 was not pleased. The union argued the pay increases violated their contract, took Giant Eagle to court and forced it to rescind the raises.

Why did Local 23 oppose higher pay for its members? Because it upended their seniority system, allowing junior employees to make more those with more seniority. Local 23 wanted uniform pay scales — even if that meant cutting some of their members’ wages.

Workers today want — and expect — recognition for their contributions and abilities, but uniform-pay scales forbid that. Such contracts could work in the assembly line economy of the 1930s, where workers performed essentially interchangeable jobs. But not in today’s knowledge economy. Why would a software designer or a search-marketing consultant want one?​


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SHERK: Reinventing unions - Washington Times​
 
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These losers are the exact same types that stand on street corners with cardboard signs directing passers by to "give then money". They refuse to do anything to better themselves, only to demand more money. Hell buy a cheap pistol and start robbing, it is the same thing, you want money, you just refuse to work for it.
 
My McChickens would've tasted better today if they had been flavored by unskilled tears.
 
clownboy said:
Not the point. They're in a struggle for a higher wage right now, you support them in that, so do it. You know how to slide a tip over the counter. That the restaurant doesn't allow tips or that there's no tip jar is just a lame excuse. If you support them, then do so.
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Some fast food places like McDonalds and KFC don't allow tip jars because you aren't actually "served". At least that is how it use to be.
 
Hatuey said:
Some fast food places like McDonalds and KFC don't allow tip jars because you aren't actually "served". At least that is how it use to be.
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It's a crock when a "tip" position is 95% comprised of the basis for the job. I'm not going to tip my mechanic or barber for doing his damn job.
 
As has happened elsewhere the likely outcome of this might see a handful of FF workers get the $15.00 an hour. The rest will need a new job as they won't have one anymore.............
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The ironic thing is, if they get their wish, half of them will be fired within a week. I feel sympathetic to their cause, but they are going about it the wrong way. A compulsory minimum wage is not the way to go.
 
Muhammed said:
You're just scapegoating unions. California is screwed because of NAFTA, not unions.

If the most productive members of our society do not look after their own self-interests then nobody else will. It is immoral to not be selfish when it comes to getting compensated well for your labor. Those hours spent working are hours you can never get back. When negotiating with an employer it makes no sense to be altruistic. You must be selfish to avoid being unfairly exploited.

It is the scabs who are parasites. They are free-riders. The scabs indirectly benefit from unions but do not pay dues.
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So you are for some workers, just not all.
 
Muhammed said:
Tell that to person making your burger if you want some zit juice and pubic hair as condiments.
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I don't eat fast food, so I don't have to worry about that. But, as mentioned above, why would anyone pay someone like that $15/hour? Hell, why would anyone pay someone like that anything at all? For $15/hour I would expect professional behavior and high quality work.
 
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