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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    We also all already help pay for the wars we are in whether we are for them or not, so I really don't get your droning on.
    This fact works against you not for you; the logic is that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers. Perhaps if you thought a little bit you wouldn't need to waste words.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    i myself, am already near the tipping point when its comes to going to a fast food places.

    any increase in prices further, i will deny them my money.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should.



    Here is just another reason why Unions are bad.
    As reported in a blog at The Washington Times.


    ANALYSIS/OPINION:
    Few workers would turn down a raise. Union members, however, can have raises turned down on their behalf.
    Employees of a Pennsylvania grocery store learned this the hard way. Managers at the Giant Eagle grocery in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, wanted to reward hard work. So they boosted the wages of two dozen high-performing employees above their union rates. But United Food and Commercial Workers Local 23 was not pleased. The union argued the pay increases violated their contract, took Giant Eagle to court and forced it to rescind the raises.

    Why did Local 23 oppose higher pay for its members? Because it upended their seniority system, allowing junior employees to make more those with more seniority. Local 23 wanted uniform pay scales — even if that meant cutting some of their members’ wages.

    Workers today want — and expect — recognition for their contributions and abilities, but uniform-pay scales forbid that. Such contracts could work in the assembly line economy of the 1930s, where workers performed essentially interchangeable jobs. But not in today’s knowledge economy. Why would a software designer or a search-marketing consultant want one?


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    SHERK: Reinventing unions - Washington Times
    There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed. People have a right to assemble. You might as well try to ban knitting clubs.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed.
    Wrong.
    You see, you are taking your statement to the extreme.
    You can lobby against which results in the prevention.

    So like I said; "You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should."



    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    People have a right to assemble.
    No one said they couldn't.


    But the laws should change.
    They can assemble all they want. They can even lobby their employer.
    They just shouldn't be able to force their desires on an employer.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by law View Post
    This fact works against you not for you; the logic is that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers. Perhaps if you thought a little bit you wouldn't need to waste words.
    Wait, after a idiotic comparison, you come up with the fact that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers even if we don't eat at the places in question? And then add an ad hom? Whatever, my bad for even responding to the retarded part of this thread. Carry on.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    Wait, after a idiotic comparison, you come up with the fact that we should help subsidize the wages of fast food workers even if we don't eat at the places in question? And then add an ad hom? Whatever, my bad for even responding to the retarded part of this thread. Carry on.
    Again, this response is a waste of bandwidth. Had you understood the comparison made initially, you wouldn't be as confused as you are now Mr. "play to play" policy management expert. At least those ideas will remain in the virtual world, I sure hope you're not running for office.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, we should ban unions especially government employee unions. What a bad, bad mess that was. Thanks JFK....
    I don't know about banning all unions, but we certainly don't need unions in government. I do think that there was once a time when unions were much needed, and served a great purpose. That time is long past, and I think many unions do much more damage to the economy than they help it now.
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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    From the OP:

    'The protesters are demanding better pay in a global rallying cry against rising income inequality,'

    That's ridiculous.

    1) Imo, income inequality is almost nothing to do with lack of pay at the lower levels...it is almost entirely to do with government's redistributing wealth to the rich.
    TARP, QE, 'too-big-to-fail', mark-to-market rule changes, rising power of the central banks (especially the Fed), massive fiscal deficits, ...surely you people are not so naive as to believe these programs are designed to help anyone but the rich?
    Powerful politicians are rich and they have rich friends. Most of them (IMO) could care less about the middle class/poor except how to con the ignorant masses into voting for them.
    The lower income voters have to stop the above programs that allow their leaders to continue to funnel more and more of their tax dollars to the rich AND create programs (like QE) that do little but help the higher earners tremendously (through the propping up of the stock market).


    2) Some burger flipper getting $5-7 more an hour is going to do little to help income equality...it will probably actually hurt it (especially in America) as higher wages will a) make products more expensive and less competitive and b) force companies to move every labor intensive job they can overseas where labor is cheaper. This will raise unemployment in America (as the CBO agrees with).

    and 3) What do they care about income inequality in the first place? Isn't this about raising their pay so they can better feed their families?
    Apparently not. This is also about resentment that others have what they do not.
    Ego and (gasp) greed seem to be a large part of this 'holy quest for better lives for all'.
    So much for nobility.

    Just another group of people who want more pay for ZERO extra work...so much for hard work and ingenuity.

    Well, the rich are getting it...so I guess the poor should get it as well.

    Next stop...printing presses for all!!!
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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.
    You see, you are taking your statement to the extreme.
    You can lobby against which results in the prevention.

    So like I said; "You can do anything that is legal to prevent a union form being formed, and you should."



    No one said they couldn't.


    But the laws should change.
    They can assemble all they want. They can even lobby their employer.
    They just shouldn't be able to force their desires on an employer.
    Thats what Ive been saying.

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    Re: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats what Ive been saying.

    No!
    This is what you have been saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There is nothing legal that you can do to prevent a labor union from being formed.
    That is a blanket statement that is wrong.
    As you can do legal things which can prevent a Union from forming. As stated.
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