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Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

I would still say the rule was fairly applied. We all have a responsibility not to induce others to sin (have sexual thoughts about her).

I think others would be able to argue that it is not on the onus of the person dressed to control the desires of others. They would likewise argue that the woman is held to a stronger standard than the men as a result of that standard.

Of course this concept carries no weight and has no application value in the secular world- but the dance was not a part of the secular world. This may make me seem fuddy duddy to many here, but perhaps my religous back ground enables me to see the men's point. As to whether they should have pursued that point after she had been "cleared to enter" is another matter.

It holds considerations in both realms, however. I understand the distinction between the two, and how the religious often demands more from persons than the other, but I think the constant dialogue will be whether or not it accomplishes that goal or treats women's sexuality worse than men.
 
Where is it said that fathers of homeschool kids are saints? Homeschooling can not produce perverts?

These guys sound no different that other pigs. Homeschooling or not.

I hope the community learns whom these jerks are...Let them be oggled for awhile.
 
To me, one absurdity is that those that automatically jumped to the conclusion that she was lying somehow think that those who believed the young lady were being bigoted and absurd, while their conclusions were not equally absurd.

While it is correct for people to restrain the liberal's knee-jerk reaction, I keep finding that the conservatives here aren't holding themselves to the same standard.

Well, perhaps you should reconsider how you apply your standards.

Any rational review of the facts would indicate the story as presented, and the outlets who promoted the meme, are completely suspect.

What should be immediately evident is the extreme bias displayed as evidenced by the type of sources who chose to pimp the meme that fathers of homeschooled girls are horny old men who can't control themselves.

Frankly, the child, and the people who spread her little fantasy, should be ashamed.

The only reason it became a story was a result of the paranoia and anger people have towards parents who homeschool, based on a bigoted stereotype of the ideological principles such people are perceived to have.
 
I don't recall anything being said that the group was religious or that the event had religious overtones.

It might be inconclusive. The prom was held at a church. Though that does not make it explicity a religous oriented event, home schooling is generally assosciated with religous conservatives:
https://www.homeschool-life.com/sys...mberid=1180&public=1&private=&eventid=1060984

At the same time, the flier boasts of 400 attendees, rather than a very small self selective group. This could support a conclusion that the event was operating from a more secular point of view.

I think the main motivation behind the criticism is the realization that these sorts of issues are not well-served by attempts to shield soon-to-be adults from things they're bound to encounter in the real world.
There have been many criticisms here. Some members feel she had some kind of intrinsic right to be at the event. Another feels that purchasing a ticket leads to an intrinsic right to attend. Others proclaimed the American Taliban are on a tear - despite the fact it was a private event.

As for your point, I agree with you. Her dress had been cleared (evidently barely) by the matrons at the door. As such, it should not have been second guessed. Those opposed to the dress need, as you imply, to accept the fact that they will encounter people in the real world who are not in 100% accordance with their conservative socio religous views.

Of course, that works for progressives too. Some real world private events may well enact restrictions on behavior that are not in full accordance with their socio religous views.
 
If the dance was a private dance like it seems it was, the organizers have every right to kick whoever they want out for whatever reason they want. I think the only thing she should be able to sue for is the cost of the ticket (I guess maybe stretching the point maybe the money she spent on getting ready.) However, I do not know she will win the suit, that would depend on ALL of the actual facts which I am confident we dont know.
 
Well, perhaps you should reconsider how you apply your standards.

I have done a much better job than you.

Any rational review of the facts would indicate the story as presented, and the outlets who promoted the meme, are completely suspect.

That's why I said I was unconvinced of any judgment. What is also just as suspect are the memes that she was automatically at fault.

What should be immediately evident is the extreme bias displayed as evidenced by the type of sources who chose to pimp the meme that fathers of homeschooled girls are horny old men who can't control themselves.

Again, the presumptions that she was completely wrong in her assessment are just as ill-considered.

Frankly, the child, and the people who spread her little fantasy, should be ashamed.

As should those who presume she was automatically wrong in her assessment because, "Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie."

The only reason it became a story was a result of the paranoia and anger people have towards parents who homeschool, based on a bigoted stereotype of the ideological principles such people are perceived to have.

Projection goes both ways.
 
I have done a much better job than you.



That's why I said I was unconvinced of any judgment. What is also just as suspect are the memes that she was automatically at fault.



Again, the presumptions that she was completely wrong in her assessment are just as ill-considered.



As should those who presume she was automatically wrong in her assessment because, "Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie."



Projection goes both ways.

Thank you for your opinion.
 
Wrong parents home school for many reasons not always because of some value or moral.

More often because it simply educates kids better than government schools.

I'll need a citation for that allegation, thanks. I'm not just going to take your word for it.
 
I'll need a citation for that allegation, thanks. I'm not just going to take your word for it.

Ask a few homeschoolers there are many of them and they are not all uniform in their motives.
Apparently you lead an insulated and sheltered life.

BTW that is a citation because my child is one of them and that was the reason we chose homeschooling. Better education. And it worked.
 
I'll need a citation for that allegation, thanks. I'm not just going to take your word for it.

Parents gave a number of different reasons for homeschooling their children. In the 2011–12 school year, 91 percent of homeschooled students had parents who said that a concern about the environment of other schools was an important reason for homeschooling their child, which was a higher percentage than other reasons listed.

Fast Facts

Or try here:

DOE Report: School Environment, Poor Instruction Top Reasons for Homeschooling
 
Ask a few homeschoolers there are many of them and they are not all uniform in their motives.
Apparently you lead an insulated and sheltered life.

BTW that is a citation because my child is one of them and that was the reason we chose homeschooling. Better education. And it worked.

Insulting me is a citation? Okay.
 
I think she's lying because of nature of the story, and how much of it is missing. If these "horndog, homeschooling" men were truly so twisted at the sight of a young girl in a tight dress, the dress code for the event wouldn't have allowed her to enter in the first place.

Clearly there is far more to her story, and far more to why she was asked to leave.

Let me add, I have a strong willed 35 year old daughter, who was once a strong willed teenager. My opinion is not formed from ignorance.
It sounded very suspicious to me as well. This doesn't appear to be a normal reaction from either parents or the school. Men may silently think that a young woman is very attractive, even sexy, but it is very unlikely they would share these thoughts with other fathers.
 
Oh thank you.

91% of parents who participated in the survey said “a concern about the environment of other schools”

Yup.
 
It sounded very suspicious to me as well. This doesn't appear to be a normal reaction from either parents or the school. Men may silently think that a young woman is very attractive, even sexy, but it is very unlikely they would share these thoughts with other fathers.

After reading this quote from her, it's obvious what is going on here.

“I was told that the way I dressed and moved my body was causing men to think inappropriately about me, implying that it is my responsibility to control other people’s thoughts and drives,” Clare writes in her blog post. “I’m not responsible for some perverted 45 year old dad lusting after me because I have a sparkly dress on and a big ass for a teenager. And if you think I am, then maybe you’re part of the problem.”​

This self absorbed little girl needs to get over herself. As to the various "sources" who made it news to pimp their agenda, I say shame on you.

Obviously, there is far more to the story, but that would kill the meme they are trying to spread.
 
After reading this quote from her, it's obvious what is going on here.

“I was told that the way I dressed and moved my body was causing men to think inappropriately about me, implying that it is my responsibility to control other people’s thoughts and drives,” Clare writes in her blog post. “I’m not responsible for some perverted 45 year old dad lusting after me because I have a sparkly dress on and a big ass for a teenager. And if you think I am, then maybe you’re part of the problem.”​

This self absorbed little girl needs to get over herself. As to the various "sources" who made it news to pimp their agenda, I say shame on you.

Obviously, there is far more to the story, but that would kill the meme they are trying to spread.

Yes, she 'was told' by a mysterious person that this was going on. I think you're right that it is only the fantasies of just another self absorbed teenager.
 
So's spreading your legs and masturbating to the beat, but that doesn't mean it belongs, in its purest form, at a prom. Usually a gentleman's club.

I always crack up whenever I see that. "Gentleman's Club". :wink3: Sounds so dignified and refined.
 
It might be inconclusive. The prom was held at a church. Though that does not make it explicity a religous oriented event, home schooling is generally assosciated with religous conservatives:
https://www.homeschool-life.com/sys...mberid=1180&public=1&private=&eventid=1060984

At the same time, the flier boasts of 400 attendees, rather than a very small self selective group. This could support a conclusion that the event was operating from a more secular point of view.

It's hard to tell. Could be most anything but if you held a gun to my head and made me guess, I'd say it wasn't specifically religious but the group as whole was comprised of a whole lot of conservative christians, and so guests should consider that when it comes to dress, behavior, etc. There's something to be said for being considerate of the people around you.


There have been many criticisms here. Some members feel she had some kind of intrinsic right to be at the event. Another feels that purchasing a ticket leads to an intrinsic right to attend. Others proclaimed the American Taliban are on a tear - despite the fact it was a private event.

As for your point, I agree with you. Her dress had been cleared (evidently barely) by the matrons at the door. As such, it should not have been second guessed. Those opposed to the dress need, as you imply, to accept the fact that they will encounter people in the real world who are not in 100% accordance with their conservative socio religous views.

Of course, that works for progressives too. Some real world private events may well enact restrictions on behavior that are not in full accordance with their socio religous views.

IMO, having bought a ticket, se *does* have a right to be there and should only have been asked to leave for cause, though as a private event, they can throw her out for any reason they choose. Since we have only heard one side, maybe her behavior was cause but from what's been claimed, it doesn't sound like it. From her description, it sounds like the parents were trying to protect their boys from being tempted, which does sound like something a conservative christian community would do. Particularly one that home schools as removing their kids from a secular environment is often one of the reasons why a conservative christian chooses to home school their kids

But of course, we don't know this to be true, and this could be just my liberal biases leading me to suspect things that have yet to be proven true, and this girl (who is just a girl) may be rebellious and drama-queening the whole thing.

And yeah, people all over the political spectrum often impose their viewpoints on others. It's a part of human nature, and as long as it's not taken too far, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, in many situations social pressure to conform to community norms can be a good thing and at a minimum, learning how to get along (or at least go along) with people who are different than you are is a worthy skill for a young person to cultivate. In this case, even if the girls story is 100% accurate, I don't think there are any grounds for a lawsuit. It would merely be a lesson learned for this girl. Even if her story isn't accurate, it's still a lesson for her.
 
I wonder how much she would get if she auctioned her virginity when she hit 18 after all this publicity. Capitalism creates a fertile ground for that type of thing.
 
I always crack up whenever I see that. "Gentleman's Club". :wink3: Sounds so dignified and refined.

You're right. Never thought about it. The guys who frequent those places are very little like gentlemen.
 
I wonder how much she would get if she auctioned her virginity when she hit 18 after all this publicity. Capitalism creates a fertile ground for that type of thing.

I think any person who would actually pay money for such a thing is a complete idiot. :lol: It's unbelievable to go from virgin to prostitute like that, don't you think?
 
You're right. Never thought about it. The guys who frequent those places are very little like gentlemen.

LOL, I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions.

White's is a gentleman's club in St James's Street, London. It is the oldest and most exclusive gentleman's club in London... Notable current members include Charles, Prince of Wales, Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, Conrad Black and Tom Stacey.
White's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many such clubs in the UK, Boodle's and Brook's are two other well known such establishments. They are simply places gentlemen might go to escape the bustle of a big city - Author and publisher Tom Stacey, who has been a White's member for 40 years, describes it is a "refuge".

"You can be completely unselfconscious. You are among people you have grown up with, people you went to school with. You speak the same instinctive language. It is not snobbish. It just allows you to relax."

My dad was a member of White's, and I have been there as a small boy - I can assure you the atmosphere is the very soul of decorum (although I found it also incredibly boring), :)
 
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