Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

Fiddytree · May 15, 2014

If the liberals in the thread are projecting (and I think they are), so too are the conservatives in the thread. It's blatantly obvious to me that the "facts" about what happened are nowhere near as clear as either camp is making it to be.

Fiddytree · May 15, 2014

Cryptic said:
Good grief, was this prom a private event?

Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

tres borrachos said:
So you were there AND reading their minds?

lol no and I did not have to be.

That is the point all hetero men have those thoughts about attractive women when they see one.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

Fiddytree said:
Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.

Someone suggested that I read the blog that this story is based on and a after taking a look at such blogs I think that many details are being ignored. Yes it seems to be a cultural thing but it is also a very murky one.

She was not kicked out for her dress but for how she danced. The details of how she danced are not clear but it was her behavior.

Granted it is subjective, as another poster stated someone somewhere is always offended at one form of dancing or another. Maybe her form of dance was just a little provocative and offended a few. Or maybe it was very provocative and turned heads all over the room like a stripper. Who know?

Either way we can argue that it could have been handled differently and I agree it could have been but in the end the organizers made a choice and it is silly to second guess them. No rights were violated and no crime committed.

In the end I think the real controversy is everyone else trying to make it into a big issue concerning feminism, slut shaming, objectification or whatever.

Cryptic · May 15, 2014

Fiddytree said:
Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.

Even addressing it from the fairness aspect, there is a different from a private vs public prom as a public prom carries with it a greater expectation of an inate ability to attend.

As for the fairness aspect, it the home schooling group that sponsored the prom is founded and run as a religous based group, I think booting her was fair. The girl knew that standards were different going into the event. Though the dress was determined to be "passing" abiet marginally, the marginal state of the dress in conjunction with her dancing style is apparently what got her the boot.

Now, if the home school group hosting it was secular based, then I could see the girl's point as she would reasonably equate secular group with secular dress standards and secular dancing standards.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

rocket88 said:
I'm sorry, if her dress was "regulation" so to speak, then the problem was the chaperones. She followed the rules.

It seems everyone is jumping to that conclusion as the prom organizers did not object to her dress but to her manner of dance.

The devil is in the details

Fearandloathing · May 15, 2014

Paxaeon said:
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.

Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.

In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.

While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable." - Source

What's wrong with this picture?

oh, dear, dear me....."impure thoughts" what next?

I guess we pretty much have to stone the bitch.......

And why is it America is killing people in Afghanistan? So women can be free to get educations and dress how they like or something.......oh, maybe it's just 14 years of revenge.

sangha · May 15, 2014

Cryptic said:
Even addressing it from the fairness aspect, there is a different from a private vs public prom as a public prom carries with it a greater expectation of an inate ability to attend.

As for the fairness aspect, it the home schooling group that sponsored the prom is founded and run as a religous based group, I think booting her was fair. The girl knew that standards were different going into the event. Though the dress was determined to be "passing" abiet marginally, the marginal state of the dress in conjunction with her dancing style is apparently what got her the boot.

Now, if the home school group hosting it was secular based, then I could see the girl's point as she would reasonably equate secular group with secular dress standards and secular dancing standards.

As far as I can tell, the only standard was the one about the dress which the girl adhered to.

Granted, pretty much every event has some standard of behavior that must be adhered to. However, there is nothing specific about her behavior that demonstrates that her eviction was reasonable. The only thing mentioned is that her "dancing" (she denies that she was doing anything more than swaying) might cause the boys to have impure thoughts because it was somehow "inappropriate". That sounds very unclear, so I don't think it's accurate to say that the girl "knew" what the standards were

Cryptic · May 15, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
And why is it America is killing people in Afghanistan? So women can be free to get educations and dress how they like or something.......oh, maybe it's just 14 years of revenge.

No, we are not killing people in Afghanistan so women can be free to dress and dance how they like at any and all private events.

This line of thought seems very "Bundyesque" - of the Nevada cow stand off. He too confuses his "wants" with his "rights". One good thing though, I dont think a leftists militia is going to try to transform this girls wants into "rights".

sangha said:
However, there is nothing specific about her behavior that demonstrates that her eviction was reasonable. The only thing mentioned is that her "dancing" (she denies that she was doing anything more than swaying) might cause the boys to have impure thoughts because it was somehow "inappropriate". That sounds very unclear, so I don't think it's accurate to say that the girl "knew" what the standards were

Even allowing her version of events to be totally non biased and objective, if she knew the host group was religous and the event would have religous overtures, and she was really interested in staying, she should have erred on the side of wardrobe caution- not "can I squeek this by?" Thus, Booting her was reaonable.

Now, a secular host group would have different expectations about dress, dance etc. In that case, I would side with the girl.

Fearandloathing · May 15, 2014

Cryptic said:
No, we are not killing people in Afghanistan so women can be free to dress and dance how they like at any and all private events.

This line of thought seems very "Bundyesque" - of the Nevada cow stand off. He to confuses his "wants" with his "rights". One good thing though, I dont think a leftists militia is going to try to transform this girls wants into "rights".

Please try to make sense in the future.

danarhea · May 15, 2014

Paxaeon said:
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.

Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.

In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.

While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable." - Source

What's wrong with this picture?

You mean that some of the men had child molestation on their minds, and it was the child who was kicked out, and not the perverts?

Cryptic · May 15, 2014

Fearandloathing said:
Please try to make sense in the future.

I guess I was a little too esoteric for your intellect.

Let me try again: Nobody has a right to attend a private event. References to Afghanistan, Taliban, stoning etc are not really material.

tres borrachos · May 15, 2014

Soupnazi630 said:
lol no and I did not have to be.

That is the point all hetero men have those thoughts about attractive women when they see one.

Nice. I hope Moot sees this. According to her, men who have thoughts about young attractive girls need help because they are about to act on their thoughts with their own daughters.

Do you want to have sex with your teenage relatives?

Fiddytree · May 15, 2014

Cryptic said:
Even addressing it from the fairness aspect, there is a different from a private vs public prom as a public prom carries with it a greater expectation of an inate ability to attend.

As for the fairness aspect, it the home schooling group that sponsored the prom is founded and run as a religous based group, I think booting her was fair. The girl knew that standards were different going into the event. Though the dress was determined to be "passing" abiet marginally, the marginal state of the dress in conjunction with her dancing style is apparently what got her the boot.

Now, if the home school group hosting it was secular based, then I could see the girl's point as she would reasonably equate secular group with secular dress standards and secular dancing standards.

Standards are going to be different, and the prom organizers had the right to remove the student for violating standards or rules. Even if there was dispute about whether or not the student had been removed unjustly by strictly those rules of conduct, it is still beside the point. Most people are arguing that the philosophy that a woman being responsible for the thoughts of men is a bad or imbalanced standard. If that philosophy more or less framed the viewpoint of the organizers, that is what is being critiqued.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Nice. I hope Moot sees this. According to her, men who have thoughts about young attractive girls need help because they are about to act on their thoughts with their own daughters.

Do you want to have sex with your teenage relatives?

Who the hell is moot?

tres borrachos · May 15, 2014

Soupnazi630 said:
It seems everyone is jumping to that conclusion as the prom organizers did not object to her dress but to her manner of dance.

The devil is in the details

Actually you are all jumping to the conclusion that the men who were there to chaperone their own children had thoughts of lust about a teenage girl, based on her accusation.

Cryptic · May 15, 2014

Fiddytree said:
Most people are arguing that the philosophy that a woman being responsible for the thoughts of men is a bad or imbalanced standard.

I see your point.

I would still say the rule was fairly applied. We all have a responsibility not to induce others to sin (have sexual thoughts about her). If our behavior is doing so, we should modify the behavior if it is reaonable to do so. In her case, it was reasoanble as she could have chosen another dress.

Of course this concept carries no weight and has no application value in the secular world- but the dance was not a part of the secular world. This may make me seem fuddy duddy to many here, but perhaps my religous back ground enables me to see the men's point. As to whether they should have pursued that point after she had been "cleared to enter" is another matter.

Paxaeon · May 15, 2014

ocean515 said:
Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie. That's what is going on.

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I posted one out of a couple hundred different sources. Here are some others;

Homeschooled Slut Kicked Out Of Prom For Giving ‘Impure Thoughts’ To Creepy Dads

Va. teen kicked out of prom; photo shows dress met length requirement | FOX13Now.com - Fox affiliate.

Teen Girl Kicked Out Of Prom So Her Dress Wouldn't Lead Boys To 'Think Impure Thoughts' | ThinkProgress

Virginia teen: I was booted from prom because male chaperones checked me out* - NY Daily News

Teen Girl Ejected From Prom Because Horny Dads Can't Stop Staring

Girl Kicked Out of Prom Over Dress, ‘Provocative’ Dancing | FOX8.com - Fox affiliate

Girl Kicked Out Of Prom Because She Might Make Boys Think 'Impure Thoughts'

There are words for people like you.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Actually you are all jumping to the conclusion that the men who were there to chaperone their own children had thoughts of lust about a teenage girl, based on her accusation.

No I am not.

Men think that way it is that simple.

tres borrachos · May 15, 2014

Paxaeon said:
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I posted one out of a couple hundred different sources. Here are some others;

Homeschooled Slut Kicked Out Of Prom For Giving ‘Impure Thoughts’ To Creepy Dads

Va. teen kicked out of prom; photo shows dress met length requirement | FOX13Now.com - Fox affiliate.

Teen Girl Kicked Out Of Prom So Her Dress Wouldn't Lead Boys To 'Think Impure Thoughts' | ThinkProgress

Virginia teen: I was booted from prom because male chaperones checked me out* - NY Daily News

Teen Girl Ejected From Prom Because Horny Dads Can't Stop Staring

Girl Kicked Out of Prom Over Dress, ‘Provocative’ Dancing | FOX8.com - Fox affiliate

Girl Kicked Out Of Prom Because She Might Make Boys Think 'Impure Thoughts'

There are words for people like you.

Those aren't proof of her story. Those repeat her story.

And as I pointed out yesterday, the reasons for her being kicked out of the prom are all over the board.

Your OP said it was because the "dads experience 'impure thoughts'".

Think Progress said it's because the dads worried about the boys getting impure thoughts. Gawker said it's because of the dad themselves. Fox said it's because of her dancing. Another Fox said it's because of her dress.

The very fact that everyone is reporting a different reason based on nothing but her claim on her sister's blog shows it all right there.

The joke is on you.

Paxaeon · May 15, 2014

nota bene said:
That one side is what your source erroneously stated. Astounding that when you've chosen to use such large font to call attention to yourself that after all these pages, what you didn't say first was "My bad. I should've clicked on the link provided and read the primary source for myself." But you haven't. We all "jump the gun" from time to time, but instead of owning your mistake, you go after the "conservative right"? Maybe that was your only intention when you began this thread.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

tres borrachos · May 15, 2014

Soupnazi630 said:
No I am not.

Men think that way it is that simple.

No, men do not look at every teenage girl in a dress and think "I'm going to have sex with her". I call bull**** on that. You have to back up that claim with scientific proof.

Soupnazi630 · May 15, 2014

tres borrachos said:
No, men do not look at every teenage girl in a dress and think "I'm going to have sex with her". I call bull**** on that. You have to back up that claim with scientific proof.

Go back to my original post. I clearly said attractive gals.

That obviously is not the same as EVERY.

And yes they do

Sykes · May 15, 2014

Peter Grimm said:
Some girls are gonna be little skanks, why get wound up?

I see, she's been downgraded from hooker to skank. Congratulations on understanding you spoke in error.

Sykes · May 15, 2014

Cryptic said:
I guess I was a little too esoteric for your intellect.

Let me try again: Nobody has a right to attend a private event. References to Afghanistan, Taliban, stoning etc are not really material.

The right she paid for when she bought a ticket? THAT right?

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