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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie. That's what is going on.
    The only thing I believe in her story is that she was asked to leave the prom. The rest of it sounds like the arrogance of a teenager who thinks she's the next coming of Christie Brinkley.

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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The only thing I believe in her story is that she was asked to leave the prom. The rest of it sounds like the arrogance of a teenager who thinks she's the next coming of Christie Brinkley.
    LOL

    Again, because of the source, and the agenda behind the source, it's my sense the described circumstances never happened. Perhaps they did as you suggest, but in my opinion, they never did.

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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The problem with this picture is the school faculty is weak and stupid.



    Good thing that wasn't my daughter. Getting kicked out the prom would be the least of their problems.
    I'm sorry, if her dress was "regulation" so to speak, then the problem was the chaperones. She followed the rules.


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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    Came across a local news story about it, which had a comment from someone who did set-up for the prom. They had a link to a blog by someone who was at the prom who has a different story (man that is a mouthful):
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    That is the first comment I mentioned.

    This is going off the assumption they both are telling the truth about being there/going to it, since it'd be about impossible to verify. The second video has an interview with the girl who posted on the blog and her mom.
    I remain unconvinced one way or the other.

    The dress fit the profile, but ran into difficulty with dancing. That's a borderline issue. Her provocative dancing? Remains nondescript. Claims that it wasn't the looks from men that influenced the decision-mixed reporting (even from the sources that claim it wasn't). The student claims she was acting respectfully are now matched with a reasonable possibility that she became unreasonably defiant toward authority figures. Teenagers (yes, including women with strong opinions) are certainly not immune from juvenile disdain and disrespect for authority (many may say it's almost a requirement).

    That being said, there's this number:

    Women use clothing and actions to attract men all the time, but as Christians and really just as moral people, ladies have a duty to dress in a way that earns respect and doesn’t tempt men. Everyone (not just men) have a duty to guard our thoughts from things that aren’t healthy, but men shouldn’t make it harder for women and women shouldn’t make it harder for men.
    Now, I have to keep in mind that a high school student wrote this (that reference to yellow journalism did not help matters much), that being said, we can be keen readers. The first sentence provides firstly the virtue of modest dress. That assumption tends to go without much contention, as that virtue by itself is in school dances across the country to begin with. That being said, we know her dress was essentially (not without certain difficulties) in the confines of the rules established by the dance. The first sentence likewise holds up the contention that Left-wing sources have issue with: the virtue of not tempting men. This was precisely what the student in question (and many media sources) claimed was an issue. That being said, the second sentence above seems to contradict the spirit of that first sentence. So which idea holds most true for her thought: the idea that women are held accountable for the temptations of men or that an opposite sex should not make matters more difficult for the students that are dressed? I'm not entirely certain, but I cannot rule out that she may think that a woman is held responsible for the temptations of men.

    The student in question also rose the notion that prom is not a right and that homeschooled proms are going to be more conservative than, say, a public school prom. That wasn't in contention. What was in contention was whether or not the rules and the people involved placed a "ridiculous" standard of presentation on the women and being held accountable for the thoughts and desires of other parties.
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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The student in question also rose the notion that prom is not a right and that homeschooled proms are going to be more conservative than, say, a public school prom. That wasn't in contention.

    What was in contention was whether or not the rules and the people involved placed a "ridiculous" standard of presentation on the women and being held accountable for the thoughts and desires of other parties.
    Yikes, was this prom a private event?

    And any contention that a ridiculous standard was placed on her would be extremely difficult to show if the prom, or any other event was being hosted by a private home school group and not a public school.

    Though nobody has an inherent right to attend a public school prom, those hosting private events hosted have near absolute leeway in determining what is, or is not appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good thing that wasn't my daughter. Getting kicked out the prom would be the least of their problems.
    Good grief

    Does your daughter have an inherent right to attend private functions? The hosts of that private function do not need to answer to anyone in how they apply, or misapply, their rules.
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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    If the liberals in the thread are projecting (and I think they are), so too are the conservatives in the thread. It's blatantly obvious to me that the "facts" about what happened are nowhere near as clear as either camp is making it to be.
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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Good grief, was this prom a private event?
    Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.
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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you were there AND reading their minds?
    lol no and I did not have to be.

    That is the point all hetero men have those thoughts about attractive women when they see one.

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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.
    Someone suggested that I read the blog that this story is based on and a after taking a look at such blogs I think that many details are being ignored. Yes it seems to be a cultural thing but it is also a very murky one.

    She was not kicked out for her dress but for how she danced. The details of how she danced are not clear but it was her behavior.

    Granted it is subjective, as another poster stated someone somewhere is always offended at one form of dancing or another. Maybe her form of dance was just a little provocative and offended a few. Or maybe it was very provocative and turned heads all over the room like a stripper. Who know?

    Either way we can argue that it could have been handled differently and I agree it could have been but in the end the organizers made a choice and it is silly to second guess them. No rights were violated and no crime committed.

    In the end I think the real controversy is everyone else trying to make it into a big issue concerning feminism, slut shaming, objectification or whatever.

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    Re: Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, but essentially irrelevant. The story isn't about a student being (legally, that is) wrongfully excused from the event. The story is about the contention of the standards being applied to the young woman. That's a cultural dispute, not a legal one.
    Even addressing it from the fairness aspect, there is a different from a private vs public prom as a public prom carries with it a greater expectation of an inate ability to attend.

    As for the fairness aspect, it the home schooling group that sponsored the prom is founded and run as a religous based group, I think booting her was fair. The girl knew that standards were different going into the event. Though the dress was determined to be "passing" abiet marginally, the marginal state of the dress in conjunction with her dancing style is apparently what got her the boot.

    Now, if the home school group hosting it was secular based, then I could see the girl's point as she would reasonably equate secular group with secular dress standards and secular dancing standards.

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