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X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings

X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

A mark by which you will be known and without which you won't be able to work or shop?

Didn't the bible warn about that?
 
There's no way this becomes mandatory; but that said it's not a bad idea. A passive RFID tag could give you secure access to everything. ID theft would become much harder, you wouldn't need keys for your house or car. You wouldn't even need to carry your wallet and ID. You're already tracked everywhere you go with your cell phone. And you need to carry all of these credentials everywhere you go. And they have a limited range, which means that it would be pretty tough to be scanned without your knowledge.

So you could carry keys, wallet, credit cards, and ids... or get a rice sized implant which does the work of all of them.

Wouldn't that just turn identity theft into a crime of violence? Cut that sucker out and get an all access pass.
 
A mark by which you will be known and without which you won't be able to work or shop?

Didn't the bible warn about that?

Yea, I don't take much of the bible literally, especially Revelations but that is a little spooky. What if the chips design is in the form of 666, "momma"? :shock:
 
Here's some old articles about ADS......


FDA Warns Firm About Chip Marketing

November 20, 2002 | From Reuters

Applied Digital Solutions Inc. has improperly marketed its implanted microchip for medical uses, regulators warned in a letter. The VeriChip is a scannable device, implanted under the skin, that contains an identification number. The maker has said it may be useful for finding missing persons or speeding up medical diagnoses. The Food and Drug Administration ruled in October that it would not regulate the VeriChip if it were not sold for medical applications.


First Humans to Receive ID Chips

May 9, 2002 | David Streitfeld, Times Staff Writer

Eight people will be injected with silicon chips Friday, making them scannable just like a jar of peanut butter in the supermarket checkout line. The miniature devices, about the size of a grain of rice, were developed by a Florida company. They will be targeted to families of Alzheimer's patients--one of the fastest growing groups in American society--as well as others who have complicated medical histories. "It's a safety precaution," explained Nate Isaacson.



U.S. Backs Microchip Access to Patient's Data

October 14, 2004 | From Times Wire Reports

A microchip that can be implanted under the skin to give doctors instant access to a patient's records has won government approval, a step that could revolutionize medical care but is raising alarm among privacy advocates. The chip transmits a unique code to a scanner that allows doctors to confirm a patient's identity and obtain detailed medical information from an accompanying database. Applied Digital Solutions Inc. of Delray Beach, Fla.

Articles about Applied Digital Solutions Inc - Los Angeles Times



I think it would be too tempting for some parents to put a chip in their kids so they could track their every move.

But what do you think about implanting them in sex offenders or parolees instead of using an ankle bracelet?

If a sex offender, or parolee is needs to be monitored that closely, he needs to be in jail.
 
Wouldn't that just turn identity theft into a crime of violence? Cut that sucker out and get an all access pass.

Well... people might notice if you try to check out with someone elses' bloody hand. :)
 
Depends on how its used, could you imagine it as part of a ultra-controling society? Sure. Could you imagine it as a tool that could tell someone your medical information, or your bank information, or any other kind of data about you that you probably already readily and easily give it at times of your choosing?

I may not get one, I'm kind of old fashion (I don't even have a smart phone) but having a micro-chip would not be the end of the world depending on how its used.

What with the government abusing it's power more and more, all the time, I'm absolutely opposed to it.

On the surface, it sounds like a great idea, but it will be abused by the government.
 
Would hate to see this be made mandatory, but I think it's a wonderful technology to be progressing as a potentialy volunteer basis.
 
Finger printing criminals as a form of ID has been happening for decades. Law enforcement agencies have software that match the prints image with records.

I agree with your last statement as a cheap form of ID but there's still more to it. There's too many possibilities for abuse and misuse for people to accept it, willingly, yet. They'll probably come out with an encrypted nano-tech tattoo next.

That's a different usecase. What's the turnaround? Even 60 minutes would be plenty fast for a finger print search. We're talking 1-2 sec tops. And how many checks are we looking at? A fingerprint database wouldn't have to do thousands per second. What kind of processing power would that take? Bandwidth?

I mean, we already have rfids in credit cards and car keys now. I'm not advocating for implants, I just don't see it as all that scary.
 
Finger printing criminals as a form of ID has been happening for decades. Law enforcement agencies have software that match the prints image with records.

I agree with your last statement as a cheap form of ID but there's still more to it. There's too many possibilities for abuse and misuse for people to accept it, willingly, yet. They'll probably come out with an encrypted nano-tech tattoo next.

Its almost a maxim that any power that CAN be abused WILL be abused. If not by its implementers then by those who come after, often drawn toward the power itself.
 
X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

 
Would hate to see this be made mandatory, but I think it's a wonderful technology to be progressing as a potentialy volunteer basis.

Credit used to be entirely voluntary, but now your credit score can keep you from getting a job, renting a house, etc.
 
Yea, I don't take much of the bible literally, especially Revelations but that is a little spooky. What if the chips design is in the form of 666, "momma"? :shock:

I've wondered if it is possible to have a credit score of 666. Or does the calculation software round up or down to avoid it.
 
That's a different usecase. What's the turnaround? Even 60 minutes would be plenty fast for a finger print search. We're talking 1-2 sec tops. And how many checks are we looking at? A fingerprint database wouldn't have to do thousands per second. What kind of processing power would that take? Bandwidth?

I mean, we already have rfids in credit cards and car keys now. I'm not advocating for implants, I just don't see it as all that scary.

Had to look that up didn't you? :lol:

I'm more annoyed by how someone like Google tracks your buying habits to encourage more sales. I looked up a laptop the other day, just to see what's available and the cost, if my PC died. All of a sudden every page I pull up has laptops being advertised on them. I don't want Google to cram their crap down my throat, like I'm a sheep.

People don't know that the NSA can change bank account amounts. I don't trust the NSA, DARPA and Google with my ID and personal info but it's too late. They'll figure a way to tag us without our knowledge, eventually.
 
The danger of technology like this isn't that the government will make it mandatory. The danger is that, once out, WE will start the process of building our society around it and at some point convenience will become dependance. Once that point is reached it won't matter if government made it mandatory because people who choose not to have it will be shut out and marginalized. Eventually they'll even become outcasts.
 
X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................................

MONEY!!

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That's because you're envisioning some sort of mandatory implant a 1984-esque government stuffs into you at birth, and that's not what we're talking about here.

Frankly, you have no idea what I am envisioning, unless you have learned to read minds, which I doubt.
 
I don't think they'll sell this tech very easily. At first it will be optional to show how beneficial it is, then as people see they can't hardly function in modern society without it, they'll push it hard.

Of course we can be tracked already to some degree, but I fear any ability to manipulate this tech for nefarious purposes will be the real hurdle. And yes it could be both a positive and negative, like most things of impact.

The thing I don't like is the treatment of humans like cattle or herds. And a chip could hold all your records, including medical, financial, education/employment, criminal etc.

It could sure help nailing a corrupt member of the administration or proving you were someplace, where the murder wasn't done. :)

But it will take very close monitoring of and reliable enforcement against misuse.
 
Before going down that road we had better get much more robust control of our government personnel.
Yeah! We'll start by putting microchips in them. :mrgreen:
 
Had to look that up didn't you? :lol:

I'm more annoyed by how someone like Google tracks your buying habits to encourage more sales. I looked up a laptop the other day, just to see what's available and the cost, if my PC died. All of a sudden every page I pull up has laptops being advertised on them. I don't want Google to cram their crap down my throat, like I'm a sheep.

People don't know that the NSA can change bank account amounts. I don't trust the NSA, DARPA and Google with my ID and personal info but it's too late. They'll figure a way to tag us without our knowledge, eventually.
Look what up? :)I do work in autonomy; you end up having to be pretty decent at back of the enveloping algorithm performance. Call those educated guesses.

There is certainly a case to be made for how to safeguard data. But the bigger issue is what's done to it. Is it bad if companies follow your clicks to target ads which you may want? Would we rather pay for all of the free stuff on the internet, or would we rather look at ads? It's a tough call.
 
If they want the job, they get the chip?
Yes. And we the people get a remote control that let's we the people zap them with an electric shock every time they piss us off. Some kind of system like that.
 
It could sure help nailing a corrupt member of the administration or proving you were someplace, where the murder wasn't done. :)

But it will take very close monitoring of and reliable enforcement against misuse.


Look what up? :)I do work in autonomy; you end up having to be pretty decent at back of the enveloping algorithm performance. Call those educated guesses.

There is certainly a case to be made for how to safeguard data. But the bigger issue is what's done to it. Is it bad if companies follow your clicks to target ads which you may want? Would we rather pay for all of the free stuff on the internet, or would we rather look at ads? It's a tough call.


I saw a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio as an overseas CIA spook, killing terrorists, and the NSA assisted him with satellite imagery that could physically identify the suspects from space and help him track them in the streets. They used the same ID ability to send in drones for kill shots on the Taliban. The level of tech being used to follow people is unbelievable.

I wouldn't be surprised if they could laser your ass from space soon. There are cameras at every traffic light and store, and records of all your public transactions. Is it a bad thing in itself, not yet that we're aware.
 
X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

They are not pushing 'microchipping' human beings. This was a tech talk where they discussed the advantages of various implantable technologies. This has been experimented with for years. The merging of technology and biology is an inevitable and exciting trend. It will become ubiquitous as soon as it affords enough utility to become broadly popular.
 
They are not pushing 'microchipping' human beings. This was a tech talk where they discussed the advantages of various implantable technologies. This has been experimented with for years. The merging of technology and biology is an inevitable and exciting trend. It will become ubiquitous as soon as it affords enough utility to become broadly popular.

I didn't write the article, so I can't control the title. ;)

I know technology and biology is merging in medicine. My mom before she passed had an implantable pacemaker/defibrillator that wirelessly sent her heart info thru a modem, when she slept, to the device's makers.
 
I saw a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio as an overseas CIA spook, killing terrorists, and the NSA assisted him with satellite imagery that could physically identify the suspects from space and help him track them in the streets. They used the same ID ability to send in drones for kill shots on the Taliban. The level of tech being used to follow people is unbelievable.

I wouldn't be surprised if they could laser your ass from space soon. There are cameras at every traffic light and store, and records of all your public transactions. Is it a bad thing in itself, not yet that we're aware.

Not easily. It takes too much energy to drill through the atmosphere. You'd have to gather that in with solar and store it in batteries. It's not a very practical way of getting rid of someone.

The surveillance stuff can be bad, but it doesn't have to be. There's always a tradeoff.
 
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