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More NSA Secrets Revealed

lol

"I'm going to start collecting on you for the next few hours."

"...okay, well....I'll make sure you can't get anything from me during this time."
 
danarhea said:
This is one of the main reasons I call for Obama to be impeached and removed from office. Unfortunately, Republicans want to dwell more on Benghazi fairy tales than the real world that Obama is totally screwing with.
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YOU want Obama impeached? Bwuahahahahahahahaha :lamo
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063297134 said:
Then they can take a survey. A government spying on their own citizens en masse, is indefensible, period.



Stop spying on their own citizens.
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What? That's not why NSA stores metadata.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063297134 said:
Then they can take a survey. A government spying on their own citizens en masse, is indefensible, period.
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Of course it is. Doesn't mean that government shills and those who feed from her teat won't try.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
What? That's not why NSA stores metadata.
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It doesn't matter why a government spies on its citizens en masse. There is no justifiable reason for it.

The US government’s privacy board has sharply rebuked President Barack Obama over the National Security Agency’s mass collection of American phone data, saying the program defended by Obama last week was illegal and ought to be shut down.

A divided Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, an independent and long-troubled liberties advocate in the executive branch, issued a report on Thursday that concludes the NSA’s collection of every US phone record on a daily basis violates the legal restrictions of the statute cited to authorize it, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

Not only did the board conclude that the bulk surveillance was a threat to constitutional liberties, it could not find “a single instance” in which the program “made a concrete difference in the outcome of a terrorism investigation”.
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US government privacy board says NSA bulk collection of phone data is illegal | World news | The Guardian
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063297463 said:
It doesn't matter why a government spies on its citizens en masse. There is no justifiable reason for it.
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Huh? Then why did you respond to my post with that?

Anyway, if it was spying I might agree with you.
 
BBC News - Cisco calls for curb on NSA surveillance efforts

NSA intercepting Cisco hardware routers before sending them onto the Cisco client who bought the routers.

The first allegations about NSA staff intercepting deliveries of Cisco hardware came from papers given by whistleblower Edward Snowden to journalist Glenn Greenwald.

"If these allegations are true," wrote Mr Chambers in a letter published in the Financial Times, "these actions will undermine confidence in our industry and in the ability of technology companies to deliver products globally."

In addition, pictures have circulated online of NSA staff opening packing crates containing Cisco gear. The NSA is believed to have intercepted and altered the networking hardware so the agency can more easily gather information about the people and companies it targets.

"We simply cannot operate this way," Mr Chambers wrote. "Our customers trust us to be able to deliver to their doorsteps products that meet the highest standards of integrity and security."

To restore confidence in Cisco and other tech firms, President Obama should draw up new rules to govern the way the NSA operates to ensure its conduct was held to a high standard, he said.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Was there a question in there? What do you think it is that intelligence agencies should do?
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What do I think they should do? Not collect everyones data and information just because. 1984 wasnt supposed to be a playbook.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What do I think they should do? Not collect everyones data and information just because. 1984 wasnt supposed to be a playbook.
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No no no, these are little semantic games Big Brother lovers play. Metadata isn't spying, even though it is the collection of your data and information without warrant. Because metadata is....meta. Any given piece of it doesn't give much information or detail anything. Which is true, but the point of meta data is that it is meta, and that means the aggregation of it, the development of search algorithms and more efficient sorting, does mean that significant information can be discovered, logged, and used against you without even the slightest bit of necessity towards obtaining a warrant.

But Big Brother supporters and those making their lunch off the teat of government spying can't say anything to counter the spying...it's where their meals come from.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What do I think they should do? Not collect everyones data and information just because. 1984 wasnt supposed to be a playbook.
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No, that's what you don't want them to do. What do you want them to do?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
No, that's what you don't want them to do. What do you want them to do?
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Only collect data and spy on people who are proven threats to our country. Allow more transparency into the "FISA Court". More regulations into the NSA's procedure, and I giant roll back in the NSA's budget.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What do I think they should do? Not collect everyones data and information just because. 1984 wasnt supposed to be a playbook.
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Wasn't supposed to be at all....sure as hell turned into one. We even have our little infinity war and two minutes of hate (though it's more than two minutes)
 
Ikari said:
No no no, these are little semantic games Big Brother lovers play. Metadata isn't spying, even though it is the collection of your data and information without warrant. Because metadata is....meta. Any given piece of it doesn't give much information or detail anything. Which is true, but the point of meta data is that it is meta, and that means the aggregation of it, the development of search algorithms and more efficient sorting, does mean that significant information can be discovered, logged, and used against you without even the slightest bit of necessity towards obtaining a warrant.

But Big Brother supporters and those making their lunch off the teat of government spying can't say anything to counter the spying...it's where their meals come from.
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I continue to challenge those who think collecting the metadata of people without specific suspicion is acceptable to post their phone bills online.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Only collect data and spy on people who are proven threats to our country. Allow more transparency into the "FISA Court". More regulations into the NSA's procedure, and I giant roll back in the NSA's budget.
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How do you know who is a threat?
 
Hard Truth said:
I continue to challenge those who think collecting the metadata of people without specific suspicion is acceptable to post their phone bills online.
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Lol what? What is even the logic behind that?

Hahahaha
 
Hatuey said:
So... Martin Luther King was like Al-Qaeda? I'm not sure what your point is.
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The point of posting information about the history of CointelPro is that we can not trust the government to only use our information for criminal/terrorist investigations. Instead we can expect that they will spy on anyone they want to, not just criminal suspects, and they will use the information they gather for political/ideological purposes.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Lol what? What is even the logic behind that?

Hahahaha
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The information about who you are calling on the phone is an example of the type of metadata being collected. The argument in favor of metadata collection is that collecting metadata is harmless and is already not private. Prove it by making your metadata publicly available.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
How do you know who is a threat?
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Sources. Not by just assuming everyone is a threat. Remember the whole, right to privacy thing?
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Hard Truth said:
The information about who you are calling on the phone is an example of the type of metadata being collected. The argument in favor of metadata collection is that collecting metadata is harmless and is already not private. Prove it by making your metadata publicly available.
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Pissing into the wind on this one. That dude makes his bread and butter from the spying, he ain't gonna think about this fairly. He has vested interest in keeping it going.
 
Hard Truth said:
The information about who you are calling on the phone is an example of the type of metadata being collected. The argument in favor of metadata collection is that collecting metadata is harmless and is already not private. Prove it by making your metadata publicly available.
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Oh honey, I've worked for the NSA. I know exactly what metadata is and how it's used. I don't know why you think giving it to you and anyone reading this would be the same as giving it to the NSA. Is giving my social security number to you the same as giving it to the IRS or my bank?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Sources. Not by just assuming everyone is a threat. Remember the whole, right to privacy thing?
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So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?
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Should they assume everyone is a "threat" and spy on every single person? Whatever happened to privacy?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Should they assume everyone is a "threat" and spy on every single person? Whatever happened to privacy?
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No. Do you think that's what they do? You seem to be very....let's say "new" to the intelligence process.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Is giving my social security number to you the same as giving it to the IRS or my bank?
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I don't know, let's find out. A bit of metadata, address, buying habits, phone number, and then SSN on top of it? I'll take it. I mean....what good is it gonna do me, right? So you should be totally comfortable posting all that information right here online.
 
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