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More NSA Secrets Revealed

So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?

No, those sources should be 100% open to judicial review.

You're not doing anything wrong, are you? Well then you should have no issues with a bit of checks and balances.
 
I don't know, let's find out. A bit of metadata, address, buying habits, phone number, and then SSN on top of it? I'll take it. I mean....what good is it gonna do me, right? So you should be totally comfortable posting all that information right here online.

Um...why do you think you're the same as NSA? That's what I'm asking. What oversight do you have? That's the question.

I've signed many consent to monitor forms in my life...But never to you. So why should I?
 
Um...why do you think you're the same as NSA? That's what I'm asking. What oversight do you have? That's the question.

I've signed many consent to monitor forms in my life...But never to you. So why should I?

Exactly, I'm not. I can't even do 1/10 of what the NSA could do with that information. Hell 1/100 of what the NSA can do. So you should be comfortable posting it. Why aren't you?
 
Like i said earlier. More openess to FISA courts. More regulation.

...what? What is that in answer to? What regulation? Any? Make sure Meade is up to fire code? Add more anti mold regulation to the tunnel at Kunia?

It's very opens to FISA courts.
 
Oh honey, I've worked for the NSA. I know exactly what metadata is and how it's used. I don't know why you think giving it to you and anyone reading this would be the same as giving it to the NSA. Is giving my social security number to you the same as giving it to the IRS or my bank?

Thank you for acknowledging that metadata can contain significant personal information that you wouldn't want shared with strangers.

If my bank misused the information I knowingly consented to give them I would change bankers and sue them.

This is why one of the reasons I don't trust the NSA with that same information:

COINTELPRO (an acronym for COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and at times illegal,[1] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveying, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.[2] National Security Agency operation Project MINARET targeted the personal communications of leading Americans, including Senators Frank Church and Howard Baker, civil rights leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King, journalists and athletes who criticized the Vietnam War.[3][4]

"...FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive",[10] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the Civil Rights Movement, including Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans —even Albert Einstein, who was a socialist and a member of several civil rights groups, came under FBI surveillance during the years just before COINTELPRO's official inauguration.[11] The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert white hate groups, including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party...."
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Thank you for acknowledging that metadata can contain significant personal information that you wouldn't want shared with strangers.

What are you worried about? They signed an "agreement".
 
Thank you for acknowledging that metadata can contain significant personal information that you wouldn't want shared with strangers.

Depends on the stranger. Again, I've signed consent to monitor forms. What are your credentials? Maybe I will.
 
...what? What is that in answer to? What regulation? Any? Make sure Meade is up to fire code? Add more anti mold regulation to the tunnel at Kunia?

It's very opens to FISA courts.

More openness. Restrict their powers. You think the NSA just got these powers out of the blue? This is what I am in favor of: Chairman of key House committee agrees to proceed with NSA reform bill | World news | theguardian.com Believe its a great start. But unfortunatley I believe the bill died.
 
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I'm sorry, maybe it's my years of experience in this field and some with said agency: that's not at all specific.

How would you change what analysts do? Would you change what they're charged with doing? Add ANOTHER level of bureaucracy to it?

...do you even know what analysts are charged with doing, now that I think of it? Know how they do? Know the levels of oversight?

I'm gonna go out on a very short limb and assume you don't. This is why your complaints aren't given a whole lot of weight- and your suggestions even less.

Nothing was specific- a possible exception for the "reasonable articuable suspicion" portion which only really deals with lawyers in crazily specific situations that incredibly rare, but that is something you're probably against anyway- but it appears you don't want intelligence agencies to do much.

Spy on threats. How do you know something is a threat? Ask them, I guess. Maybe ask a journalist.
 
I guess he can't be more specific than a general interest article.
 
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