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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    To understand trends, policies, beliefs, etc.

    Those are important to understand. Do you disagree?
    Understand what "trends"? What "policies"? What "beliefs"? Is something going to become so extreme that we sholud be worried? Is Hollande gonna start the next Bolshevik revolution? Is little Annika in Germany gonna start the RAF up again?




    What do you think intelligence agencies should do?
    Protect our nation from legitimate threats with a legitimate reason (for any nation be that the US or any nation in the EU or any nation worldwide). What success have they had with this program, oh yea NOTHING
    Report suggests NSA surveillance has not stopped terrorism | Al Jazeera America NSA phone record collection does little to prevent terrorist attacks, group says - The Washington Post


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Understand what "trends"?
    Any.

    What "policies"?
    Any.

    What "beliefs"?
    Any.

    Is something going to become so extreme that we sholud be worried?
    Maybe, but probably not. Do you think intelligence should only be gathered about extremist beliefs?

    Is Hollande gonna start the next Bolshevik revolution? Is little Annika in Germany gonna start the RAF up again?
    Probably not. Does that mean other nations shouldn't try to know what they're doing?

    Protect our nation from legitimate threats with a legitimate reason (for any nation be that the US or any nation in the EU or any nation worldwide). What success have they had with this program, oh yea NOTHING
    Report suggests NSA surveillance has not stopped terrorism | Al Jazeera America NSA phone record collection does little to prevent terrorist attacks, group says - The Washington Post
    ...no. This is just horrible critical thinking.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hmmm interesting. Dont want big brother here spying on you, but rest of the world, **** em. Lets collect data on every single person in the world (except for the US tho we are cool). Am i right?
    Just so you know, the US doesn't really need to collect data. It's usually just bought from the sites you willingly give it to without reading their TOS. What? You think FB makes money on gifts or your Pinterest account is not being cataloged, packaged and sold to anyone who will buy it? Pay better attention to the ads that show up on your page from now on.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Any.



    Any.



    Any.
    So we should be Big Brother? Is this correct?

    Maybe, but probably not. Do you think intelligence should only be gathered about extremist beliefs?
    So we should study everyone "just in case"?



    Probably not. Does that mean other nations shouldn't try to know what they're doing?
    Absolutely. Diplomatic immunity and a little thing we hold dear called privacy...


    ...no. This is just horrible critical thinking.
    So..... What attack did it prevent?


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we should be Big Brother? Is this correct?
    Yes. Is Big Brother the dog whistle for you to mean "bad"?

    So we should study everyone "just in case"?
    Yes.

    Absolutely. Diplomatic immunity and a little thing we hold dear called privacy...
    lol what? Diplomatic immunity covers every citizen of every country now? And, let me guess, the 4th Amendment covers every US citizen? Who should intelligence agencies collect on?

    So..... What attack did it prevent?
    Times Square?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just so you know, the US doesn't really need to collect data. It's usually just bought from the sites you willingly give it to without reading their TOS. What? You think FB makes money on gifts or your Pinterest account is not being cataloged, packaged and sold to anyone who will buy it? Pay better attention to the ads that show up on your page from now on.
    I realize what private corporations do. But collecting information and spying on people not only here but worldwide (IMO) is whole nother deck of cards than from the US government collecting data on people and spying on innocent people.


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yes. Is Big Brother the dog whistle for you to mean "bad"?
    When you are collecting over a million of innocent Pols data just because. When you are spying on world leader allies, 71 million communication in Poland, partnering with US corporations to collect info to make them run through NSA monitors, implanting bugs into foreign servers, and are "collecting it all". Hell they admitted to having so much info they couldnt handle it all!


    Yes.
    Well lets just say **** it to a much basic human right and the sacred American right we hold dear.



    lol what? Diplomatic immunity covers every citizen of every country now? And, let me guess, the 4th Amendment covers every US citizen? Who should intelligence agencies collect on?
    *cough cough* NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts | World news | The Guardian


    Times Square?
    A Vietnamese local vendor was paid by the NSA?


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When you are collecting over a million of innocent Pols data just because. When you are spying on world leader allies, 71 million communication in Poland, partnering with US corporations to collect info to make them run through NSA monitors, implanting bugs into foreign servers, and are "collecting it all". Hell they admitted to having so much info they couldnt handle it all!



    Well lets just say **** it to a much basic human right and the sacred American right we hold dear.




    *cough cough* NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts | World news | The Guardian



    A Vietnamese local vendor was paid by the NSA?
    What is it, again, that you think intelligence agencies should do?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I realize what private corporations do. But collecting information and spying on people not only here but worldwide (IMO) is whole nother deck of cards than from the US government collecting data on people and spying on innocent people.
    What? You think the US government can't buy Facebook's info on it's Pakistan users? That it actually has infrastructure in place to monitor every call? Look, even the most ardent opponents of this sort of thing have to admit that the US monitors maybe, maybe 500-1000 people in the country. Most of them with clear and evident ties to terrorist groups. The NSA people aren't sitting around reading every single bs e-mail people send trying to get laid. It's not reading text messages about how great last night was. Most of those are filtered out by algorithms and strings of words that they're specifically looking for. Again, this isn't even coming from an NSA apologist. This is coming from the very people who are against this sort of thing. So rest easy, unless you're sending e-mails to a guy in Pakistan asking for bomb making material or asking a guy in Mali about the package that needed to be delivered to a suburban address in Ohio, the NSA doesn't really care about your coffee group at Starbucks or your university's socialist club.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    I've got to agree that I'm not overly worried about being singled out of hundreds of millions of online users. Even the best software still needs human interaction, and they're simply not going to investigate every hit. Most likely, a majority of the info is just being recorded to look up if needed later for investigative purposes.
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