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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    No it is based on the fact that other nations are potential threats and no government can function or survivie without trying to learn them.
    Governments have no right to privacy. I have no problem with spying on anyone when there is reasonable suspicion of criminal activity and/or a threat of violence. I do not support invading the privacy and/or collecting private information on non-governmental groups or individuals without reasonable suspicion, no matter where they live. I'll accept increased risk for more personal privacy for myself and others. Lacking privacy protection puts one at risk as much as security lapses.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It really has nothing to do with internal politics. Canada was so upset with the UK regarding the Suez crisis that they changed their flag...but they still remained part of Five Eyes.

    Look at the classification markings on the stuff Snowden leaked...Canada is part of this. A wonderful ally to the US, UK, New Zealand, and Australia. Political winds about anti-spying won't change the greatest intelligence alliance in the history of mankind; policy makers are too smart for that.


    Yes, Canada has been part of this...

    And thank you for telling me about the politics of my country.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yes, Canada has been part of this...

    And thank you for telling me about the politics of my country.
    You're welcome! I look forward to continuing to work with my Canuck intelligence brethren!
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Governments have no right to privacy. I have no problem with spying on anyone when there is reasonable suspicion of criminal activity and/or a threat of violence. I do not support invading the privacy and/or collecting private information on non-governmental groups or individuals without reasonable suspicion, no matter where they live. I'll accept increased risk for more personal privacy for myself and others. Lacking privacy protection puts one at risk as much as security lapses.
    I agree except that none of this applies to other nations.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You are spying on yourselves....

    You are spying on your allies...
    I have issues with them spying on us.

    I have no issues with them spying on our allies, just as I fully expect our allies to be spying on us.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    I agree except that none of this applies to other nations.
    I believe human rights are, or should be, universal.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I believe human rights are, or should be, universal.
    If everyone else agreed, there would be no need for any defense or security apparati at all. But since they don't- and even if they said they did, no one can be sure of the other's honesty- it'd be foolhardy to act in such a way.

    Again: naive.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I believe human rights are, or should be, universal.
    Well when other nations recognize a bill of rights ( and our government truly recognizes ours ) then that sentiment might mean something.

    Until then ours takes precendence.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    The government screwed up when it started justifying doing wrong things for good reasons. Once that begins, the threshold to prevent self serving behavior has no bars. Torture, sanctioned murder, spying on allies and financial manipulation will inevitably turn inwards as we go on the witch hunt for the "Red Menace".
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Well when other nations recognize a bill of rights ( and our government truly recognizes ours ) then that sentiment might mean something.

    Until then ours takes precendence.
    Then you can't complain when (for example) you find out that the Chinese government has been listening to your phone calls.

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