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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The information about who you are calling on the phone is an example of the type of metadata being collected. The argument in favor of metadata collection is that collecting metadata is harmless and is already not private. Prove it by making your metadata publicly available.
    Oh honey, I've worked for the NSA. I know exactly what metadata is and how it's used. I don't know why you think giving it to you and anyone reading this would be the same as giving it to the NSA. Is giving my social security number to you the same as giving it to the IRS or my bank?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sources. Not by just assuming everyone is a threat. Remember the whole, right to privacy thing?

    So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?
    Should they assume everyone is a "threat" and spy on every single person? Whatever happened to privacy?


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Should they assume everyone is a "threat" and spy on every single person? Whatever happened to privacy?
    No. Do you think that's what they do? You seem to be very....let's say "new" to the intelligence process.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Is giving my social security number to you the same as giving it to the IRS or my bank?
    I don't know, let's find out. A bit of metadata, address, buying habits, phone number, and then SSN on top of it? I'll take it. I mean....what good is it gonna do me, right? So you should be totally comfortable posting all that information right here online.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So intelligence agencies should run sources? We're getting somewhere. Should they keep those sources absolutely private?
    No, those sources should be 100% open to judicial review.

    You're not doing anything wrong, are you? Well then you should have no issues with a bit of checks and balances.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, let's find out. A bit of metadata, address, buying habits, phone number, and then SSN on top of it? I'll take it. I mean....what good is it gonna do me, right? So you should be totally comfortable posting all that information right here online.
    Um...why do you think you're the same as NSA? That's what I'm asking. What oversight do you have? That's the question.

    I've signed many consent to monitor forms in my life...But never to you. So why should I?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No. Do you think that's what they do? You seem to be very....let's say "new" to the intelligence process.
    Like i said earlier. More openess to FISA courts. More regulation.


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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Um...why do you think you're the same as NSA? That's what I'm asking. What oversight do you have? That's the question.

    I've signed many consent to monitor forms in my life...But never to you. So why should I?
    Exactly, I'm not. I can't even do 1/10 of what the NSA could do with that information. Hell 1/100 of what the NSA can do. So you should be comfortable posting it. Why aren't you?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Like i said earlier. More openess to FISA courts. More regulation.
    ...what? What is that in answer to? What regulation? Any? Make sure Meade is up to fire code? Add more anti mold regulation to the tunnel at Kunia?

    It's very opens to FISA courts.
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