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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When you are collecting over a million of innocent Pols data just because. When you are spying on world leader allies, 71 million communication in Poland, partnering with US corporations to collect info to make them run through NSA monitors, implanting bugs into foreign servers, and are "collecting it all". Hell they admitted to having so much info they couldnt handle it all!
    Was there a question in there? What do you think it is that intelligence agencies should do?

    Well lets just say **** it to a much basic human right and the sacred American right we hold dear.
    What do you think it is that intelligence agencies should do?

    What do you think it is that intelligence agencies should do?

    A Vietnamese local vendor was paid by the NSA?
    You asked and I answered. What do you think it is that intelligence agencies should do?
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ../The NSA picked out a few radical Muslims and sought to undermine their presence in their groups. There is nothing even remotely wrong with that. It'd be no different than what it did to the KKK or what it does to members of the NBP. If you think there is something wrong with undermining the power of radical clerics, I'd love to hear it. ...
    COINTELPRO (an acronym for COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and at times illegal,[1] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveying, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.[2] National Security Agency operation Project MINARET targeted the personal communications of leading Americans, including Senators Frank Church and Howard Baker, civil rights leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King, journalists and athletes who criticized the Vietnam War.[3][4]

    "....covert operations under the official COINTELPRO label took place between 1956 and 1971.[5] COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day, and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[6][7][8] The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.[sic.]"[9]

    FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive",[10] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the Civil Rights Movement, including Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans —even Albert Einstein, who was a socialist and a member of several civil rights groups, came under FBI surveillance during the years just before COINTELPRO's official inauguration.[11] The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert white hate groups, including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party...."

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Taking instances of rogue employees using their position to spy on family members hardly detracts from the point I made. If anything it proves the rule. Again, read your own links instead of just posting silly-nilly and thinking those link prove anything:

    Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers'



    The NSA picked out a few radical Muslims and sought to undermine their presence in their groups. There is nothing even remotely wrong with that. It'd be no different than what it did to the KKK or what it does to members of the NBP. If you think there is something wrong with undermining the power of radical clerics, I'd love to hear it.

    NSA admits employees spied on husbands, boyfriends, and girlfriends | PCWorld



    Again, 12, count them TWELVE examples of employees using their position to spy on their significant others, being caught and fired. Does that prove the NSA cares about your sexting? No. It proves that there are people who can violate the code of ethics even within the NSA. It also proves that when they do it, they usually do it to people they know.

    What I really enjoy about your post is this sentence: What ever happened to privacy?

    Well let's see, you're currently on a website that you've written 17,000 posts on in 3 years. You've also posted a link to your Tumblr account. A Tumblr account that could probably be tied to a few other social media sites you use. If I did a little digging, I'd probably be able to find out what university you go to and probably could hire somebody to track you down to your current address. All because of stuff you've posted online. All because of stuff you WILLINGLY reveal about yourself online. All because of stuff you willingly reveal online and then complain that it's being bought, cataloged and kept somewhere.

    Easy solution to your problem: Stop using the internet. Cut up your credit cards. Leave school. Hide in Montana. Become the Una-bomber Part II and hope that you cut all links to society. If you don't? You can still be tracked down by information you willingly use and reveal every day. That debit card you have? The bank sells your purchase history. That driver's license you have? It's indirectly tied to your credit score. The clothes you're wearing? They're part of the statistics kept and sold by clothing companies. What's weird is that you're pretty much tracked down every single moment of the day by corporations and government agencies without noticing and you don't complain. The NSA collecting information on people with ties to Al-Qaeda? All hell must break lose.

    Show us how it doesn't matter by posting your phone bills online.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    .... "Hey dont spy on us, spy on other innocent people". Pretty hypocritical. Most "libertarians" are "libertarian" where they see fit.
    They aren't hypocrites, they consider it OK to do to others what they wouldn't want done to them. The essence of conservatism and libertariansim is fear and selfishness: "me first."

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the only way to stop the madness is to end the war on terror.
    We have the Russians and Chinese standing by to resume their role as our enemy again if the current deal with the Muslim extremists falls through.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Nothing has been exposed because of this. Its unnecessary and unconstitutional.
    What is wrong with people? Of course there are challenges in using new and powerful technology. Of course the impacts of a powerful tool can be dangerous. We know that. Nothing new there.

    That isn't the question. The question is how to control it, while utilizing its potential.

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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Show us how it doesn't matter by posting your phone bills online.
    I don't have to. They can be bought and purchased from my provider.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    COINTELPRO (an acronym for COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and at times illegal,[1] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveying, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.[2] National Security Agency operation Project MINARET targeted the personal communications of leading Americans, including Senators Frank Church and Howard Baker, civil rights leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King, journalists and athletes who criticized the Vietnam War.[3][4]

    "....covert operations under the official COINTELPRO label took place between 1956 and 1971.[5] COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day, and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[6][7][8] The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.[sic.]"[9]

    FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive",[10] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the Civil Rights Movement, including Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans —even Albert Einstein, who was a socialist and a member of several civil rights groups, came under FBI surveillance during the years just before COINTELPRO's official inauguration.[11] The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert white hate groups, including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party...."
    So... Martin Luther King was like Al-Qaeda? I'm not sure what your point is.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I fully expect other countries to try and spy on us, and I fully expect my country to try and spy on them. The only thing we did wrong was get caught imho
    Nope. We should be open about our spying. Yes we want to know what enemies and allies alike are up to, and they should know we are looking at them and snooping on them openly. That's why we have agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency amongst a whole alphabet soup of them. Really this polite fiction we aren't doing these things needs to go the way of the dodo bird. Our government as a policy really ought to just look at playing things straight and honest instead of the Machiavellian route.
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    Re: More NSA Secrets Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Nope. We should be open about our spying. Yes we want to know what enemies and allies alike are up to, and they should know we are looking at them and snooping on them openly. That's why we have agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency amongst a whole alphabet soup of them. Really this polite fiction we aren't doing these things needs to go the way of the dodo bird. Our government as a policy really ought to just look at playing things straight and honest instead of the Machiavellian route.
    spying openly?..... well, that's one way to NOT get good intelligence on anybody.

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