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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

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    I agreed with the initial suppression of Al Qaeda but the proactive continuation after the first 2 years was only a recruiting effort for the terrorists. An unjust response and attempt to outright kill any suspects is not a winning strategy.

    I would've pulled our troops out of the ME after year 2, never invaded Iraq and kept gathering intel, with spec ops ready to respond to any terrorist plans. Beyond beefing up airport, sea port and border security watching for plots the rest was unnecessary.
    The shooter is Taliban, not al Qaeda.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The shooter is Taliban, not al Qaeda.
    I'm talking about when we originally invaded Afghanistan after 9/11, where the Taliban was supporting Al Qaeda.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

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    Hi Perotista,
    The Nigerian government has already requested help. Twice. Once in 2013 and again last month.
    They are not asking for boots on the ground. They have requested aid in intelligence and military gear to fight Boko Haram themselves. But our government still hasn't given them an answer.



    Nigeria Requested US Intel And Military Gear to Fight Terror, Docs Show - ABC News
    Huh, strange. Providing some intelligence and military hardware is quite an easy thing. I wonder why not. But as things go in the intel world, we may be doing that but covertly. Remember back during the Iraq/Iran war during Reagan, we provided some pretty nifty photos of Iran's troop deployments to Saddam among with other intel that we thought might help him. That was done covertly and I am not sure if it has ever been admitted to publicly. We may be providing the intel and for what ever reason want it kept quiet. Who the heck knows?
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah using the horrific kidnapping of hundreds of girls to attack political opponents... Isn't American politics fantastic?

    Speaking of which there is evidence to suggest Nigerian authorities knew there was a kidnapping threat and did nothing... Guess that's Hillary's fault as well...
    Please explain to me where you see an attack on anything in my comment....are you perhaps attempting to attack me?


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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Not really, she included 3 individuals not the group as a whole, the group as a whole didn't make the U.S. official terrorist list till Hillary left and Kerry took office.



    Clinton's State Department resisted labeling Boko Haram as terror group | Fox News
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not really.



    In May 2012, then-Justice Department official Lisa Monaco (now at the White House) wrote to the State Department to urge Clinton to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist organization. The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.

    Risch and seven other GOP senators introduced legislation in early 2013 that would have forced Clinton to designate the group or explain why she thought it was a bad idea. The State Department lobbied against the legislation at the time, according to internal State Department emails obtained by The Daily Beast.

    Meehan and his Democratic counterpart Jackie Speier put out a lengthy report in 2011 laying out the evidentiary basis for naming Boko Haram a terrorist organization, including the group’s ties to al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and to Somalia’s al-Shabab terrorist organization.

    In 2012, more than 20 prominent U.S. academics in African studies wrote to Clinton, urging her to not to label Bok Haram as a foreign terrorist organization. “An FTO designation would internationalize Boko Haram’s standing and enhance its status among radical organizations elsewhere,” the scholars said.

    Twenty female senators wrote to President Obama Tuesday urging him to now push for Boko Haram and Ansaru to be added to the United Nations Security Council al Qaeda sanctions list. (Earlier this year, Boko Haram’s leader express solidarity with al Qaeda affiliates in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Somalia and Yemen, according to the SITE Monitoring Service, which tracks jihadist communications.)

    That’s why last November we designated them as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and as Specially Designated Global Terrorists. And we're are urging additional multilateral action against Boko Haram—including by working with Nigeria to press for UN Security Council sanctions."

    Representatives for Clinton did not respond to multiple requests for comment.....snip~

    Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists - The Daily Beast
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    The title of your source says, point blank, that only a few members of Boko Haram were added to the terrorist list; not the whole organization.

    Try, reading your own source, before posting it.
    Actually, in your zeal to foolishly try to blame Hillary for the acts of rogue terrorists, you have actually missed the entire point of the specifics I quoted.

    The United States on Thursday named three alleged leaders of the Nigerian militant group Boko Haram as "foreign terrorists," the first time it has blacklisted members of the Islamist group blamed for attacks across Africa's most populous nation. The State Department identified the three as Abubakar Shekau, calling him the "most visible" leader of the group, and Abubakar Adam Kambar and Khalid al-Barnawi, who it said were tied both to Boko Haram and to al Qaeda's north African wing.
    What this means is that prior to the State Department under Hillary designating a part of the Boko Haram group as "foreign terrorists", no previous administration's State Department had designated either the group or any part of the group as a terrorist group. Since Boko Haram has been active for 10-15 years, apparently George Bush's State Department didn't find reason to put the group on the watch list either. So this indignation, saved only for the State Department when it was under Hillary, is so clearly a partisan tar-and-feathering that it's laughable... unless, of course, you'd like to revise your vitriol and include George Bush's Secretary(ies) of State as well... and we all know that's not going to happen!

    In January, Lisa Monaco, the Justice Department's top national security official, sent a letter to the State Department arguing the Nigerian group met the criteria for a "foreign terrorist" listing because it either engaged in terrorism that threatens the United States or had a capability or intent to do so.

    But a group of academic experts on Africa sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last month urging her not to take the step, saying it could backfire by enhancing the group's reputation among potential recruits and other militants.
    Which is the reason Hillary, as Secretary of State, decided to acquiesce to the wishes of the academic experts on Africa, believing that if they were correct, placing the group on the watch list at that time (2012) could have caused more harm than good, for the reasons the experts had stated.

    This is a stupid partisan witch-hunt, pure and simple. I'll confess, I don't get the "Hillary Hatred Syndrome", where people are trying to blame her for everything on the planet, including her husband's serial adulteries, the entirety of the Benghazi tragedy and the actions of terrorist groups that nobody outside of government had even heard of until a couple of months ago. You hate her. I get it. But don't make yourselves look completely foolish by copy-pasting one-sided partisan missives that have omitted extremely salient information in order to whip the base into a foaming frenzy.

    If you think this kind of infantile sand-bagging will have the slightest effect on her political future, you're sadly mistaken. If she runs for president, most democrats will vote for her; most republicans won't. We Independents will decide for ourselves when the time comes, and unless the GOP finds a solid, qualified, experienced candidate that we can get behind, most of us will probably vote third party anyway.

    Anyway, I realize that the "other side" of any situation is not welcome in these partisan squabbles, by either side, but cry me a river. Democrat or Republican, somebody will always be around to point out the stuff that has been left out when these ideological turds are thrown into fans during election years... and yes, everybody realizes what y'all are doing... on both sides.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls




    There's not much we can do by sending in troops to rescue the Nigerian school girls, because soon as they see soldiers they'll start slaughtering them. If the Boko Haram separate themselves from the girls holding area, we could theoretically drone attack them but we'd need a coordinated ground assault to eliminate all threats and take control of the rescue.

    Now, Intelligence indicates that many of the girls may have been split up into small groups and moved to different locations, and these locations are remote and difficult to penetrate.

    Instead of searching for one group of 250 girls, law enforcement and the military are likely looking for 25 groups of 10 girls or 50 groups of five girls. This poses an enormous challenge and diminishes the possibility of a dramatic rescue that will bring this crisis to a quick close.

    The campaign to apply pressure by reaching out through social media, using the Twitter hashtag '#BringBackOurGirls,' protests have spread across the world calling for the Nigerian government to take stronger action and for the international community to help.

    The point is, what can we do and should we be trying to help more?

    I'm not sure this countries citizens (Hollywood), gov't and Media know when and what to fight.
    We should be doing whatever is appropriate. If law enforcement, forensic experts, and intelligence support is of greater value than military support then we should continue with that route. If it emerges that a military option is needed then we should use that lever.

    Personally I'm partial, in a more general sense, of creating an umbrella partnership with the Nigerian government to attempt to suppress Boko Haram and affiliated Islamic militant groups. This would involve the utilization of our drone facilities in Niger for targeted strikes, expanded military cooperation, and greater technical support.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The sad news is that most of these girls won't be recovered.

    That isn't to say they're gone forever, plenty of girls have been recovered from groups like the lords resistance army who did similar things before... But not until they're much older and have been through a horrific ordeal.

    Physically, mentally and emotionally they will be destroyed and will never be the same again.

    Groups like Boko Haram are the scum of the earth, their power lies in ignorance and fear and they will be defeated, there is no future for barbarians like them.
    Agreed, but to be defeated they must be fought. The resources of the civilized world must be brought to bear to combat groups like this across the globe. It is how we will build a more peaceful and prosperous world.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We should be doing whatever is appropriate. If law enforcement, forensic experts, and intelligence support is of greater value than military support then we should continue with that route. If it emerges that a military option is needed then we should use that lever.

    Personally I'm partial, in a more general sense, of creating an umbrella partnership with the Nigerian government to attempt to suppress Boko Haram and affiliated Islamic militant groups. This would involve the utilization of our drone facilities in Niger for targeted strikes, expanded military cooperation, and greater technical support.
    I have no qualms about targeting these dirt bags, they're vicious and seem to *think* they want the attention. I'm not often for us reaching much beyond our borders but this circumstance appears different, in that if we allow this kind of provocation to go unchallenged, it could be repeated by other groups.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Huh, strange. Providing some intelligence and military hardware is quite an easy thing. I wonder why not. But as things go in the intel world, we may be doing that but covertly. Remember back during the Iraq/Iran war during Reagan, we provided some pretty nifty photos of Iran's troop deployments to Saddam among with other intel that we thought might help him. That was done covertly and I am not sure if it has ever been admitted to publicly. We may be providing the intel and for what ever reason want it kept quiet. Who the heck knows?
    Good morning Perotista,
    According to the person that requested the help on behalf of the Nigerian government, (a former U.S. general) his recent statement claims he has yet to get a response from our government. From what I have gathered, back in 2011 the CIA and FBI along with several members in Congress were urging then Sec. State Clinton to officially list Boko Haram on the U.S list as recognized terrorist group. Clinton for whatever her reasons refused to. Then later she listed 3 leaders of the group as terrorists in 2012. However, this really limited the scope and tied our hands in how to proceed. Finally after she left office and Kerry took over, it wasn't until November of 2013 that Kerry had the group officially listed and recognized as a terrorist group. Now it looks like these terrorists have got a real foothold in the region and hundreds of young girls have been kidnapped and God knows what their future holds. In light of what is happening today, whatever reasons this administration has for not aiding the Nigerians in fighting their own home grown terrorists and for delaying them being recognized as a terrorist group, has obviously been poor choices.
    Last edited by vesper; 05-11-14 at 08:59 AM.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Actually, in your zeal to foolishly try to blame Hillary for the acts of rogue terrorists, you have actually missed the entire point of the specifics I quoted.



    What this means is that prior to the State Department under Hillary designating a part of the Boko Haram group as "foreign terrorists", no previous administration's State Department had designated either the group or any part of the group as a terrorist group. Since Boko Haram has been active for 10-15 years, apparently George Bush's State Department didn't find reason to put the group on the watch list either. So this indignation, saved only for the State Department when it was under Hillary, is so clearly a partisan tar-and-feathering that it's laughable... unless, of course, you'd like to revise your vitriol and include George Bush's Secretary(ies) of State as well... and we all know that's not going to happen!



    Which is the reason Hillary, as Secretary of State, decided to acquiesce to the wishes of the academic experts on Africa, believing that if they were correct, placing the group on the watch list at that time (2012) could have caused more harm than good, for the reasons the experts had stated.

    This is a stupid partisan witch-hunt, pure and simple. I'll confess, I don't get the "Hillary Hatred Syndrome", where people are trying to blame her for everything on the planet, including her husband's serial adulteries, the entirety of the Benghazi tragedy and the actions of terrorist groups that nobody outside of government had even heard of until a couple of months ago. You hate her. I get it. But don't make yourselves look completely foolish by copy-pasting one-sided partisan missives that have omitted extremely salient information in order to whip the base into a foaming frenzy.

    If you think this kind of infantile sand-bagging will have the slightest effect on her political future, you're sadly mistaken. If she runs for president, most democrats will vote for her; most republicans won't. We Independents will decide for ourselves when the time comes, and unless the GOP finds a solid, qualified, experienced candidate that we can get behind, most of us will probably vote third party anyway.

    Anyway, I realize that the "other side" of any situation is not welcome in these partisan squabbles, by either side, but cry me a river. Democrat or Republican, somebody will always be around to point out the stuff that has been left out when these ideological turds are thrown into fans during election years... and yes, everybody realizes what y'all are doing... on both sides.

    Really.....well here let me re-emphasis what took place a month Later after Clinton got the recommendations from Her Buddy in State, Carson - who was representing those African groups.

    See when a General of a Command gives a report later to them and still try's to get these guys designated as a Terrorist group and also ties them to AQ and is the Head of Africa Command where all that falls under his Jurisdiction.

    Pretty much puts all that you just talked about Right in the light only to still find out.....Hill Dog is still taking the weight, and its not just Republicans that's pointing things out anymore. Hence the Writer of the OP being Josh Rogin. Considered to be one of the best in telling it like it is. Coming from the NY Times and NY. He knows the Clintons.....very well.

    So here it is back again.....in all its glory.


    The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.....snip~

    What Happened? Whats Up? I know.....earlier you didn't see that part that said a month later.....Right.

    Oh and Just an FYI......in the Senate Hearings. Both Ham and Mullen Also Pointed out their difficulties with Clinton at State. Which was under Oath.

    Yes it will help to put that Pressure on her.....with all that she has already. Yes it will help to sandbag what little career and minor accomplishments she managed to complete.

    See Most Americans now know.....like when it comes to looking out for her people. Hillary will turn her back on them. Won't even check back on them in a dangerous and life threatening situation. Which that attack is a direct attack on who and what she is. Her Character her traits. Which it is going to get Louder and Louder.

    Now.....when you start seeing it play out on that Big Stage. Then you can direct yourself Right back to this post. Where I told you.....whats going to take place with her so called Career you embellish upon.

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