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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For us to do anything, first we must have the government of Nigeria's approval. What the government of Nigeria will approve, will ask for is up to them, not our congress or CNN, ABC or any type of media. I get the sense that Nigeria appreciates and wants help in locating these fellows. But the decision of what to do once they are located, the decision as to what is to be done will be made by them and I think if force is called for, it will the Nigerian military that will take the action.

    We may feel for the girls, but this is a Nigerian problem to be handled by Nigeria as they deem fit.
    I believe if it were an easy fix to drop a hundred Spec Ops and a few drones, we'd do it. But it's part of an ongoing, long term problem there where as you say, we need Nigerian Gov't approval, cooperation and coordination.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Try again. From 2012:

    In first, U.S. adds Boko Haram members to terrorist list | Reuters



    Kinda changes the Hillary-bashing dynamic, doesn't it?
    Not really, she included 3 individuals not the group as a whole, the group as a whole didn't make the U.S. official terrorist list till Hillary left and Kerry took office.

    The State Department did label Boko Haram as a foreign terrorist organization in November 2013, under the leadership of Secretary John Kerry.
    Clinton's State Department resisted labeling Boko Haram as terror group | Fox News

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe if it were an easy fix to drop a hundred Spec Ops and a few drones, we'd do it. But it's part of an ongoing, long term problem there where as you say, we need Nigerian Gov't approval, cooperation and coordination.
    I don't know if we would drop those SF troops without approval from the Nigerian government. When your talking about another nations sovereignty we always have to tread very carefully.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Try again. From 2012:

    In first, U.S. adds Boko Haram members to terrorist list | Reuters

    Kinda changes the Hillary-bashing dynamic, doesn't it?


    Not really.



    In May 2012, then-Justice Department official Lisa Monaco (now at the White House) wrote to the State Department to urge Clinton to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist organization. The following month, Gen. Carter Ham, the chief of U.S. Africa Command, said that Boko Haram “are likely sharing funds, training, and explosive materials” with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. And yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department still declined to place Boko Haram on its official terrorist roster.

    Risch and seven other GOP senators introduced legislation in early 2013 that would have forced Clinton to designate the group or explain why she thought it was a bad idea. The State Department lobbied against the legislation at the time, according to internal State Department emails obtained by The Daily Beast.

    Meehan and his Democratic counterpart Jackie Speier put out a lengthy report in 2011 laying out the evidentiary basis for naming Boko Haram a terrorist organization, including the group’s ties to al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and to Somalia’s al-Shabab terrorist organization.

    In 2012, more than 20 prominent U.S. academics in African studies wrote to Clinton, urging her to not to label Bok Haram as a foreign terrorist organization. “An FTO designation would internationalize Boko Haram’s standing and enhance its status among radical organizations elsewhere,” the scholars said.

    Twenty female senators wrote to President Obama Tuesday urging him to now push for Boko Haram and Ansaru to be added to the United Nations Security Council al Qaeda sanctions list. (Earlier this year, Boko Haram’s leader express solidarity with al Qaeda affiliates in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Somalia and Yemen, according to the SITE Monitoring Service, which tracks jihadist communications.)

    That’s why last November we designated them as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and as Specially Designated Global Terrorists. And we're are urging additional multilateral action against Boko Haram—including by working with Nigeria to press for UN Security Council sanctions."

    Representatives for Clinton did not respond to multiple requests for comment.....snip~

    Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists - The Daily Beast
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

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    Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls




    There's not much we can do by sending in troops to rescue the Nigerian school girls, because soon as they see soldiers they'll start slaughtering them. If the Boko Haram separate themselves from the girls holding area, we could theoretically drone attack them but we'd need a coordinated ground assault to eliminate all threats and take control of the rescue.

    Now, Intelligence indicates that many of the girls may have been split up into small groups and moved to different locations, and these locations are remote and difficult to penetrate.

    Instead of searching for one group of 250 girls, law enforcement and the military are likely looking for 25 groups of 10 girls or 50 groups of five girls. This poses an enormous challenge and diminishes the possibility of a dramatic rescue that will bring this crisis to a quick close.

    The campaign to apply pressure by reaching out through social media, using the Twitter hashtag '#BringBackOurGirls,' protests have spread across the world calling for the Nigerian government to take stronger action and for the international community to help.

    The point is, what can we do and should we be trying to help more?

    I'm not sure this countries citizens (Hollywood), gov't and Media know when and what to fight.
    We might not save too many of the captured girls, but we can kill a **** load of Islamofacists.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

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    We might not save too many of the captured girls, but we can kill a **** load of Islamofacists.
    Like I've said earlier, I didn't like a lot of the drone killings in Afghanistan or preemptive military policies, but these animals are starting to call on the whole world's condemnation. Attacking women and children is just lower than ****.
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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Like I've said earlier, I didn't like a lot of the drone killings in Afghanistan or preemptive military policies, but these animals are starting to call on the whole world's condemnation. Attacking women and children is just lower than ****.
    You opposed action in Afghanistan, but you're outraged at these clowns killing women and children?

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Try again. From 2012:

    In first, U.S. adds Boko Haram members to terrorist list | Reuters



    Kinda changes the Hillary-bashing dynamic, doesn't it?
    The title of your source says, point blank, that only a few members of Boko Haram were added to the terrorist list; not the whole organization.

    Try, reading your own source, before posting it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For us to do anything, first we must have the government of Nigeria's approval. What the government of Nigeria will approve, will ask for is up to them, not our congress or CNN, ABC or any type of media. I get the sense that Nigeria appreciates and wants help in locating these fellows. But the decision of what to do once they are located, the decision as to what is to be done will be made by them and I think if force is called for, it will the Nigerian military that will take the action.

    We may feel for the girls, but this is a Nigerian problem to be handled by Nigeria as they deem fit.
    Hi Perotista,
    The Nigerian government has already requested help. Twice. Once in 2013 and again last month.
    They are not asking for boots on the ground. They have requested aid in intelligence and military gear to fight Boko Haram themselves. But our government still hasn't given them an answer.

    On behalf of Nigerian National Security Adviser Muhammadu Sambo Dasuki, Garrett requested information on Boko Haram activities derived from intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance overflights of northeastern Nigeria's Borno state. Patton Boggs also asked for non-lethal protective hardware to be donated to Nigeria such as mine-resistant armored personnel vehicles, night vision goggles and communications equipment from Iraq and Afghanistan stockpiles left over from U.S. withdrawals from those warzones.
    Nigeria Requested US Intel And Military Gear to Fight Terror, Docs Show - ABC News

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    Re: Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You opposed action in Afghanistan, but you're outraged at these clowns killing women and children?

    I agreed with the initial suppression of Al Qaeda but the proactive continuation after the first 2 years was only a recruiting effort for the terrorists. An unjust response and attempt to outright kill any suspects is not a winning strategy.

    I would've pulled our troops out of the ME after year 2, never invaded Iraq and kept gathering intel, with spec ops ready to respond to any terrorist plans. Beyond beefing up airport, sea port and border security watching for plots the rest was unnecessary.
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