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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I promise my loyalty or commitment to the country how am I not pledging allegiance to the government?
    To the Republic for which it stands means the government.

    The pledge is to the flag, the government and the nation as defined by said government.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in your opinion, who should the future generations have an allegiance to? An allegiance means a "loyalty to a group, person, cause or the like". I agree that future generations should be forward thinking, but I also think that they should think about making their country better, which would result from a loyalty to the country, and a pledge to make it better.
    To me, there's something unnerving about 30 people reciting a pre-scripted pledge at the same time facing a flag with their hand over their hearts. It's creepy.

    One can be a patriot without being a drone.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in your opinion, who should the future generations have an allegiance to? An allegiance means a "loyalty to a group, person, cause or the like". I agree that future generations should be forward thinking, but I also think that they should think about making their country better, which would result from a loyalty to the country, and a pledge to make it better.
    Loyalty must not be blind. Not only that, but even for nations, loyalty must be continually earned and not abused by such things like illegal and unprovoked invasions of other nations that posed no real threat.

    No one receives loyalty automatically - loyalty must be earned...continually.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The ruling opened the door to all manner of abuse.
    No it didn't. Rulings only apply to very similar cases. In all likelihood, a challenge by this kid or his parents to this action will end up with the school losing because there is no legitimate "safety" concern involved with this kid not reciting the pledge. In fact, I'm pretty sure such cases have already been ruled on in the past.

    Students Not Required to Participate in the Pledge of Allegiance | ACLU of Oregon

    Since 1943, the law has been clear that public school students cannot be forced to recite or otherwise participate in the Pledge of Allegiance against their will. In the case West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, the Supreme Court found that the right to remain silent during the Pledge of Allegiance stems from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Just as the First Amendment protects our right to express our beliefs, it prohibits the government from compelling us to declare a belief that we do not hold.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in your opinion, who should the future generations have an allegiance to? An allegiance means a "loyalty to a group, person, cause or the like". I agree that future generations should be forward thinking, but I also think that they should think about making their country better, which would result from a loyalty to the country, and a pledge to make it better.
    To whomever and whatever they decide to have allegiance to. No one should be required to make a pledge to anything if they don't want to.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Cant wait to see how the courts narrow students rights any further with this one.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    So in Texas schools you get suspended for not saying the PoA to the American flag, while in California schools you get suspended for wearing a t-shirt of an American flag.


    Telling.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in your opinion, who should the future generations have an allegiance to? An allegiance means a "loyalty to a group, person, cause or the like". I agree that future generations should be forward thinking, but I also think that they should think about making their country better, which would result from a loyalty to the country, and a pledge to make it better.
    How many times must a pledge be given? Do you recite your wedding vows to your significant-other each morning?


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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Court: School can ban US flag shirts for safety

    Left the door wide ass open to deprive students of their 1st Amendment rights.
    The thing about the majority of US flag shirts is that they are in fact a violation of flag code. But hey yeah, nobody cares about that either.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Slippery slopes suck, huh? With the court judgment that schools can do whatever the hell they want, in response to the freedom of expression of the students, they really opened Pandora's box.

    IMO, this kids sounds like a spoiled little **** ass, that will make a good, obedient Libbo one day. He probably hates America...but...I certainly support his right to express himself and think it's totally ridiculous to suspend the kid, because he refuses to say The Pledge.
    This is actually rather hilarious considering I got suspended for not standing for the Texas pledge back in high school. The next day dozens of people staged a sit down for it.

    I'll never understand why we have to do this bull**** brainwashing. Patriotism doesn't come from mindlessly reciting a pledge every morning.
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