Page 3 of 14 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 138

Thread: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance

  1. #21
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:13 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    30,614

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Court: School can ban US flag shirts for safety

    Left the door wide ass open to deprive students of their 1st Amendment rights.
    umm that case isn't decided yet and if it goes to the SCOTUS they will uphold the 1st court ruling which is the correct ruling.
    the 9th circuit court is filled with a bunch of looney's anyway.

  2. #22
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,343

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    umm that case isn't decided yet and if it goes to the SCOTUS they will uphold the 1st court ruling which is the correct ruling.
    the 9th circuit court is filled with a bunch of looney's anyway.
    Until it goes to the SC, it is what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  3. #23
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
    Μολὼν λαβέ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    09-29-17 @ 11:22 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    6,914

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    I wonder if this Texas school requires non-citizen students like foreign exchange students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Generalizations are stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

  4. #24
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,657

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    I have to side the kid with on this one. No one should be coerced into pledging anything.

    Don't get me wrong. I stand tall and proud at every opportunity to pledge my allegiance to the United States of America.

    In Texas, as a kid in school, we had to stand each morning and say it. We didn't know or care what we were pledging to. We were just little kids. It was just another nursery rhyme kind of thing to us. Routine. We all knew the words by the end of the first grade. We still didn't know what it meant and we didn't care.

    That is called indoctrination. Some might even say brain washing. I can't imagine anyone of approving brain washing but some do.

    The best way to say the pledge is to mean it. Not because you were just taught the words.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  5. #25
    Slayer of the DP Newsbot
    danarhea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    39,728

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Slippery slopes suck, huh? With the court judgment that schools can do whatever the hell they want, in response to the freedom of expression of the students, they really opened Pandora's box.

    IMO, this kids sounds like a spoiled little **** ass, that will make a good, obedient Libbo one day. He probably hates America...but...I certainly support his right to express himself and think it's totally ridiculous to suspend the kid, because he refuses to say The Pledge.
    A libbo? Did you actually read the article, or did you just look at the title of the article, and conclude that he was a liberal based on that alone? Because, if you had actually read the article, you would have read that the kid refuses to cite the pledge because he disagrees with the government spying on people! And who is doing the spying? The Obama administration, of course.

    Way to go with the partisan hackery. I give you an A+ on that.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

  6. #26
    Sage
    polgara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    NE Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,343

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I wonder if this Texas school requires non-citizen students like foreign exchange students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance?
    That's an interesting question! I can't think that they do, since it's an oath of loyalty to our flag and our Country they are pledging allegiance to. I will check with my grandson in Houston to find out how they handle it at their school. It's Friday night and he's a teenager, so naturally he's not home now to ask him!

    Greetings, Mo.

  7. #27
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,657

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    We had a guy in elementary school named Mike Hardy who wouldn't, or couldn't, say the pledge because he was a Jehovah Witness kid.

    Ms. Haltom made him go stand in the "naughty corner out in the hall," each morning when the rest of the class recited it. As he would return from the hall to his desk, every morning, Ms. Haltom would harass him, saying the nastiest things about his parents and their religion, every step of the way. I always felt sorry for him.

    Gotta love Texas education.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  8. #28
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,590
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Considering the pledge has to do with the country and not the govt, he doesn't seem to know what he is talking about
    Well, the Pledge used to be about the country, not the government... until the late 1950's, when government changed the Pledge to make it about religion and country, not necessarily in that order.

  9. #29
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,657

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.... (Okay, I do.)

    And to the Republic for which it stands.... (Hmmm... On any given day one half of these pledge makers hate the Republic, as it stands, and whine about it constantly.)

    One nation... (Okay, I'm with that.)
    Under God..... (I'm sure She appreciates that.)
    Indivisible.... (So, we're pledged to never go our own ways? So much for Texas's idea of secession.)
    With liberty and justice for all... (Except for poor people, blacks, gays, mexican's,stoners, atheists, and any other non-white that's not like me)

    I guess I'm cool with that. But I suppose some might take issue with it.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  10. #30
    Sage
    Glen Contrarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Bernie to the left of me, Hillary to the right, here I am...
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    15,498

    Re: Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Slippery slopes suck, huh? With the court judgment that schools can do whatever the hell they want, in response to the freedom of expression of the students, they really opened Pandora's box.

    IMO, this kids sounds like a spoiled little **** ass, that will make a good, obedient Libbo one day. He probably hates America...but...I certainly support his right to express himself and think it's totally ridiculous to suspend the kid, because he refuses to say The Pledge.
    The world is changing.

    You should read histories of early WWI sometime, of how the men who marched off to war in its first few weeks were full of patriotic fervor as had been the case for wars for countless generations before. But something happened in WWI - the nature of war itself had changed.

    During WWI any American - any American at all - who spoke up against America's involvement in the war could be (and some were) imprisoned (for up to 10 years IIRC). In the last four months of 1918, nearly 1M Americans died from the H1N1 epidemic...but President Wilson never mentioned the epidemic in public - he was afraid it would hurt morale for the war effort.

    Fast forward to Vietnam, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the napalming of civilians in villages shocking Americans to an extent the far more horrendous firebombing of Japanese cities never did...because now we had television.

    Fast forward yet again to the Iraq war, and the internet, and the growing understanding that the Iraq war was not justified and was launched on false pretenses...and 100K innocent people died because of what we did.

    What's the point?

    Patriotism is not what it once was, doesn't mean what it once meant. There was a time before when we were not aware of what we did that was wrong. We weren't innocent...but we were ignorant. This doesn't mean that loyalty to one's nation isn't warranted up to and including giving one's life in battle...but it does mean that our loyalty is no longer blind, no longer without question. And that's why I would neither condemn nor condone that kid's actions. Besides, even as a high-schooler he's still just a kid...and I've known many kids who went from being pieces of human waste to upstanding citizens. If you'll think about it, a lot of our leaders today - on BOTH sides - were once sex-crazed, dope-smoking, long-haired, rebellious teens. Maybe you were one, too.
    “To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

    "...with the terrorists, you have to take out their families." - Donald Trump

Page 3 of 14 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •