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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

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    Yeah, except they won't touch this with your dick. They have limited resources and chose cases that matter.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, the ruling did not say in any way that he cannot be required to stand with all the other children. Yes, it IS a disciplinary issue. Way too much being read into this.
    It said that they cannot be forced to perform an action that is meant to show allegiance. Standing solely for the purpose of the recitation of the pledge of allegiance would fall under that "action". Unless the school can show that the action, standing, was for something other than recitation of the pledge, then they are in the wrong here.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except they won't touch this with your dick. They have limited resources and chose cases that matter.
    They've already taken such cases.

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/acl...dge-allegiance

    Refusal To Stand For Pledge Of Allegiance Leads To Lawsuit CBS Pittsburgh

    The ACLU takes these cases all the time.

    As for the argument about this being necessary for some disciplinary purpose, that was covered by the SCOTUS many years ago too (and this is actually why I believe that if that T-shirt case is/was taken further, it would most likely end up with the students winning).

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/tex...of-allegiance/

    "In its decision, the Court held that the student’s right to express their political beliefs as protected by the First Amendment outweighed any argument the school could make that its actions were necessary to keep discipline and order in the school:"
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Requiring a student to stand during a class lesson is appropriate.

    Requiring a student to participate, or even stand quietly, regarding an affirmation of an oath that they may not agree with, is not appropriate. One is neutral, one is not. If one cannot tell the difference, then I have to seriously questions one's judgment and reasoning skills.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I doubt your teachers "disliked you". They probably weren't thrilled with your behavior, but may have understood it's source and thus gave you a break. There were most likely a lot of your teachers that gave you breaks that obviously remain invisible to you to this day.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    More Texas nuttery and fanaticism. It's like it's starting to grow on trees. Unbelievable. And I'm a native Texas watching my state go bat**** with all sort of wacknut idiocracies.

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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I promise my loyalty or commitment to the country how am I not pledging allegiance to the government?
    Easy. Your loyalty and commitment to the country may lead you to oppose the government of the moment.
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Easy. Your loyalty and commitment to the country may lead you to oppose the government of the moment.
    This presumes that an allegiance or oath stays in place from one government to the next.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
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    Re: Texas high school suspends student for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegia

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This presumes that an allegiance or oath stays in place from one government to the next.
    Of course, and that's the point. The pledge is to the flag "and to the republic for which it stands." It stands above and apart from the government of the moment. Opposition to any particular administration or government policy is therefore no reason to decline the pledge.
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